Everything one might want to know about the CTLACFellow Bloggers and Guests, Thank you for taking the time to read this very long blog. I hope this blog will answer some of your questions, which I have tried to answer in the past. Citizens for Term Limits and Accountability Committee (CTLAC) find it odd that some individuals consistently chastise citizens for their non participation in local government, yet when a group of citizens take an active part in their government, those same individuals, along with some elected officials, inundate the citizens with attacks and criticism. I realize no amount of facts will satisfy anyone who consistently uses false information to support their position, but I thought I'd give the truth one more chance. Here's everything one might want to know about the CTLAC and a history of the debate with the Charter Review Commission. This is a long and extensive. I had to take several naps during the research and preparation phase. Please feel free to do the same--just pleas come back. The CTLAC is a group of county citizens, mostly retired. We have no secrets, no hidden agendas and no covert meeting in the middle of the night. Most of us can't stay up that late. Our member numbers vary due to life: vacations, births, illnesses, deaths, areas of interests and the number of public forums we present. We sometimes work with Clay Action Network (CAN), another county citizens' group, for the good of our county. We came together as a group because of the seemingly consistent illegal activities of our local officials. Our intentions are pure; we want honest government for county citizens, our children and our grandchildren. Although some individuals appear to delight in poking fun at Co-founder Durwood Smith and heaping criticism upon him, his is but one of our members, with no more influence than the rest. He will soon be 80 years old and taught in the public schools for more years than many readers have been alive. His primary concern in life is to lovingly care for his critically ill wife. He has strong ethics, so in the short stints he takes from care giving, he also attempts to lovingly care for his county. If you knew this kind, honest gentleman, you would realize that , while he is passionate in his desire to help the county, he is not capable of the strong-arm dishonest tactics or attempts to mislead county citizens, which some have suggested. Durwood, admittedly, does spend more time than the average citizen at the Wal-Mart parking lot. CTLAC consistently researches actions taken in Florida and throughout the nation to bring about needed changes in our government. Research has led us to several actions which are succeeding throughout the nation to stem political corruption and bring about honest representative government. Each strips powers from moneyed special interests who purchase favors from our decision makers, such as lobbyists and developers, then return it to the people. Term Limits, Single Memeber Districts (SMD) Hometown Democracy (HTD) and lower salary of some officials, are ways to accomplish this shift of power to citizens. Before I was involved, CTLAC worked very hard to gather signatures to place Term Limits and SMD on the ballot. Many of our elected officials fought publicly and privately against these changes. These same officials appointed some individuals to the Charter Revision Commission (CRC) who felt as they did. Some members of the CTLAC attended a number of CRC meetings. Several members of the CRC initially discussed reversing Term Limits and SMD, even though the voters strongly supported these issues at the polls; SMD had yet to be instituted. There was strong opposition from citizens to leave these mandates in place. Research results became real-life when Lobbyist John Thrasher suggested in the Times Union that SMD needed to be revamped, (even though it had yet to be implemented), by adding at-large commissioners. Shortly thereafter, developer Jack Myers came before the CRC on May 5, 2006, as reflected by meeting minutes, and said "Obviously, I am not for SMD, but now that we have it, I am trying to think of some ways to make it happen." Developer Myers said his "first preference" would be a 5-2 plan. The CRC quickly decided to "add to" SMD by placing an amendment on the ballot to add 2 at-sarge commissioners. The CRC stated they researched the issue and found that adding 2 at-large commissioners would create more accountability. They published their "research" on the commission website. Journalist Susan Armstrong wrote an article about this issue in the Sept. 6, 2006 Fleming Island Messenger called "Educate or Advocate." In the article, she said she contacted the same "experts" the CRC used to back up their research suggesting the 5-2 created more accountability in county government and was a better fit for Clay County. The journalist said the 2 expert, Dr. Wayne Bailey and Mr. Larry Arrington, were from Volusia County with a population of over 650,000. Armstrong worte that Volusia County went to a 5-2 blended system about 2 years before, but Baily said they had been "tweaking" their system for 30 years by adding or subtracting members. Mr. Arrington said their new system had "serious problems" and suggested that if the 5-2 was passed in Clay County, an expert should be summoned to the county and do interviews and work shops with officials and employees to "determine where the problems lay." BOTH EXPERTS SAID THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY NO DATA OR RESEARCH REGARDING A BLENDED SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT "BECAUSE THERE ARE NO SYSTEMS IN THE STATE THAT ARE THE SAME." Ms. Armstrong wrote "Dr. Bailey said he was familiar with the data from other states that PROVED SMD WERE MORE SUCCESSFUL THAT AT-LARGE DISTRICTS." She wrote that Volusia County's "strong" chairman was a full-time member and paid the maximum allowed by law with 650,000 population, $70,000. The other members were paid $35,000. The journalist wrote even though the CRC published on the county website their research suggested the 5-2 was a superior system to the SMD, the CRC was not accurate. She spoke to members of the CRC, who finally admitted THERE WAS NO RESEARCH ON THE 5-2 SYSTEM. but it was their "opinion" it was best for the county. Armstrong then went to the last CRC meeting and the members were preparing to publish a handout to "educate" the public on the research that the 5-2 system was superior. She challenged them stating that they could not use county funds to "advocate," only to "educate." They agreed to use their own money to publish these handouts. She also cautioned them when they spoke at public events, they must state the information was "opinion" not fact. The CRC and several like-minded individuals formed the EAR PAC. Along with CRC members, lobbyist, large land owners , and developers donated large sums of money ( approximately $30,000). The PAC had no public meetings and shared no information with the public. As a PAC, they are not required to do so. They used this money to launch a massive mail-out campaign to perpetuate the same information that appeared on the county website, which Ms. Armstrong had already proven was false. I hope this full explanation helps to clarify any erroneous information which several bloggers have offered as fact. The CTLAC is planning an open meeting on Feb. 6 at 7 PM at the Fleming Island Library. The public is welcome. We will be discussing the citizen initiative amendments to be placed on the ballot in November. The meeting has been planned since August and was not the result of any coercion by anyone. Blogs do not dictate our agenda and will not change our vision of honest government in Clay County. For those of you readers who are still reading (and awake), thank you for taking the time to read this long blog. I hope I have been informative and helpful. Please do not expect me to respond again to late-night attacks and multiple personality harassment on the blogs. I am too old and have too many important issues to deal with in my efforts to see that this county has honest government with consistent checks and balances. Clay County deserves nothing less.
Submitted by OneMann on Tue, 01/29/2008 - 7:28pm.
Pioneer, some folks will probably appreciate the local history lesson about CTLAC. But I still don't understand why the discussion always centers on CTLAC instead of the issues it wants to include on this fall's ballot. Frankly, I'm smart enough, and think most others voters are smart enough, to read a County Charter Amendment question on my ballot and make a decision based on the issue. It doesn't matter if the question was put there by CTLAC's collection of signatures, the Charter Review Commission or through any other particular means. The question, the issue, is what is decided on Election Day and the only personality in the booth will be my own. Finally, Angela, Mr. Thrasher is a lawyer and lobbyist, not a magician. He has a place he pulls stuff out of, but it's not a hat. Michael S. Mann Submitted by Sunflower on Tue, 01/29/2008 - 8:07pm.
OneMann - I'm the one that made the 'hat' statement - was trying to be polite rather than saying what I really think. I agree that we the voters are probably smart enough to read the amendments and decide for ourselves how we want to vote on them, and I appreciate receiving the sample ballots ahead of time so when I get to to polling place on election day, I already know how I'm going to vote. But I reach my decisions based on information received via as many sources as possible - publications, PACs, blogs, individuals (friends, neighbors, co-workers) and of course, the internet. I think it does help to know about groups from all sides - who they are and what their mission is, and if they are political appointees or a group of people trying to do the right thing for their community; how the organization came to the conclusions on various issues, etc. I appreciate any and all information I can gather when it comes to decision-making and how I will vote on election day. Thanks.
Submitted by OneMann on Tue, 01/29/2008 - 8:47pm.
Sorry, Sunshine, didn't mean to misidentify the author who had used such delicacy in her description. But we are talking lawyer-lobbyist, so only minimum delicacy is required. I'm all for getting all the information you can. But voting is kind of like being a newspaper editor. A reporter would cover an event and write a story about everything that occurred, finishing with about 25 inches of copy. As the editor, I'm faced with restrictions that limit me to a 12-inch newshole for that story. So, I have to decide what information is important enough for the story, and what just doesn't make the cut. Voters have to make the cut. They have to decide what of the information they receive is actually important enough to carry into the booth. To me, the personalities of people proposing the amendment don't make the cut. Come Election Day, the only thing that's important is the amendment itself. Michael S. Mann Submitted by Sunflower on Tue, 01/29/2008 - 10:51pm.
I agree with you to a point, and didn't intend to indicate that personalities are involved in my decision making process. I have found the wording of several amendments to be confusing to me, the average voter, so in order to clarify, I do my research. I take the time, because I can, to do my homework on the issues. I've been employed in situations where I had to make immediate decisions based on current circumstances and using information I had at that moment. Voting isn't one of those situations, and I do take the time to do as much as I can to make an informed decision before I enter the voting booth. I don't agree that voting is like being a newspaper editor. The voter has the time to make informed decisions and our deadline is the voting date. We have plenty of time before that day, to become informed. We don't have to make last minute decisions (but many do that or vote however they are told by the lawyers, lobbyists, and politicians). Thanks.
Submitted by Marsha on Wed, 01/30/2008 - 9:22am.
I add my appreciation for the history lesson on the CTLAC Pioneer. I didn't find it long or exhaustive at all. Whenever there is a personal focus inside of an issue I always question the motivation. Putting focus on people rather then issues creates a diversion of the message. Sometimes this diversion is the only tool someone has, especially when you're talking about something that the "people" seem to favor. If you're busy deflecting or defending the character of those involved it takes attention away from the message, or the mission if you will. I make my decisions based upon both the people involved in the issue, and the issue itself. A couple of weeks ago I made a decision about who I would not vote for in the Primaries or Election based upon someone who endorses that candidate. Thats a personal guideline that shouldn't influence anyone who doesn't think the way I do. I understand what you're saying about the issues Mike, but legal loopholes, fine print, and collateral damage way down the road that is not apparent on the surface is routine in todays goverment. That is one of the reasons why I really like the HTD, it's short, it's concise, leaves no room for loopholes and you can read it in it's entirety without having to take the afternoon off from work. When you see who is adamantly opposed (not talking bloggers) it only lends credibility to the issue for me. People are talking about ...Here are the recent blog postings with the most comments. |
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Thank you for that detailed description and well researched information. I have always admired the CTLAC and their mission, and was delighted to meet Durwood Smith one day in the Publix parking lot. Actually, he was near the entrance and while I was signing the petition, other people saw him and approached him to sign the petition as well. It was interesting to note that the manager of the store (who is a very nice man, but a little confused), was pacing back and forth and talking to someone on his cell phone to see if Mr. Smith should be forcibly removed and if he should call the sheriff's department. That was rather puzzling as it was obvious that Mr. Smith wasn't strong-arming anyone, nor was he "bothering" anyone.
I voted against the addition of the 2 additional commissioners after checking to see what other counties were doing, and also because the CC politicians were promoting it. I signed the petition to overturn it and in November will go to the polls and vote Yes to return to the 5 SMD commissioners. It is a presidential election so there will be a larger voter turnout than in 2006 and since it was a very small margin of voters (52%) that approved the 2 additional seats, and $30,000 was spent in the attempt to get it passed, the odds are for it being overturned...that's just my guess.
I'm wondering what John Thrasher and his cronies will come up with this time. He's donated a lot of money to the chairperson campaign and I bet they'll try and pull something out of their hats.
Again, Pioneer, thanks for taking the time and making the effort to enlighten us. It is well worth taking the time to read it and I didn't need a nap between paragraphs.
Well done.