Who will get the Blame???

Maxie;

From the HOA rules for privately owned Golf Carts:

Golf carts are not allowed on the bike paths/sidewalk. Golf carts are permitted for street use north of 220 within Eagle Harbor.  Drivers must be over the age of 14 for county roads. All golf carts must be registered through the New Resident Services at the Waterfront  Park.   Golf Carts may only be driven between dawn and dusk according to Florida law.

Obviously the problem was with the first sighting. They didn't belong on the sidewalk. Unfortunately not all EH residents will take the responsibility to stop them and tell them to get off the sidewalk and onto the street where they belong.

I wish you had gotten the registration number or the one on the sidewalk. I would be on the phone to the HOA. The owners would be getting a letter and/or a call from them. These registrations can be pulled. It is a privilege, not a right.

As to not 'paying attention' at the crossings, have you watched bike riders on a sidewalk or road lately? Yes they should be paying attention but they probably ride their bikes the same way. That is one of the reasons the speed limits are so low in EH. Lots of kids on bikes, joggers and kids out playing.

I'm pretty sure they had 'signaling' devices. They are called hands and arms. Remember when cars did not have blinkers? Hand signals are still legal.

As to seat belts, do we have seat belts on school buses? I'm pretty sure that they go faster than the 15-25 MPH that a golf cart will travel.

Maxie I hear what you are saying about accidents but the fact is that this is only allowed inside EH. It is not an open invitation to drive on 17/220 with a cart. As you said, they parked in EH and hoofed it to McD because they can't drive in that lot. The golf carts are covered under the owner's Home Owner Policy.

BTW, for the rental carts from the Golf Course:

In order to use a golf cart at Eagle Harbor Golf Club you must be 16 with a valid drivers’ license.

That is because those carts belong to the golf course and are covered by their insurance. They are NOT allowed on the street except where the cart path crosses a road to get to the next tee.  

Maxie, while you were in here, how many carts did you see? This is not the Villages where 60-70% of the traffic is carts. Most of the carts you see on the road are people heading to the golf course to play or heading home from playing.

This is getting longer than I wanted but here is the real reasoning behind the 'special' cart rules.

Many golfers want to use their own cart on the course. My wife and I own one. When we play in the summer we ride rather than walk like we do the rest of the year. We put our clubs on our cart and drive it to and from the course. We pay a 'trail fee' to use our own cart at the course but it is cheaper than paying the 'full' price the course would charge.

This is a good thing for everyone. They get revenue for a cart they don't have to maintain and cover with insurance and we don't have to pay rent to them to store and charge it. We also don't have to drive our real vehicle to the course, schlep the clubs to a cart and do it again to get home.

Could we make this for 'to and from' the course only? Maybe, but you would be surprised at the number of parents that use their cart to take the kids to the bus stop when it is raining, or drive down to the pool rather than taking the gas hog.

As I said before, it is a whole lot safer than an ATV and more regulated and watched by the residents. Actually I'd be surprised if the parents of the kids on the sidewalk haven't already heard about this.

This is one of the reasons we like this type of living. HOAs to enforce regulations, ARCs to keep the neighbor from putting up a 20 foot fence and fairly quite residential streets that don't get a whole lot of 'through' traffic.

Mike Heemer

I think this speaks to what I have mentioned on another posting. Ther police cannot be everywhere, all the time to witness every infraction of the law. The people need to get involved and report illegal activity when and while it is happening. The police are a reactionary force. You took the time to take the photo. Did you take the time to call the police?

TRUTHHURTS

TH;

Please read my post. The problem with the picture is that it is of legal activity. The illegal activity was the one on the sidewalk.

I'm not slamming Maxie or you on this. The problem is that if you don't live here you can easily make assumptions that are incorrect. Even you automatically assumed that the cart in the road was the one in the wrong because Maxie reported it that way.

See how fast and easily things like this can get blown up into a major issue when it actually is not?

There is a reason you don't want carts on the sidewalk. They are for bikes and pedestrians. There is not enough room for carts to pass each other or even a bike or pedestrian without one of them moving off the sidewalk.

Mike Heemer

Mike

No I wasn't assuming any crime was commited I probably should have clearified that. My point was that if a person is wittnessing something that, "they" beleive to be crimminal they should report it to the police. I was wondering if this was done.

I wrote my post as you were writting yours and did not see your posting until after mine was posted

TRUTHHURTS

TH;

I picked up on the timing that's why I said read my post.

Understood about the comment about the police. I'll buy that. In this case I'm glad she didn't call.

I think we, and others that live in golf course communities that want to be able to run golf carts on the internal roads have things pretty well under control. They all pretty much operate the same way with personal carts on the course and the streets.

The costs of making, installing and maintaining the signs required are paid by the homeowners so it's not like it is a continuing or even onetime expense to the county.

Of course there are always a few that abuse the privilege but they are rare and are usually handled by the HOA.

Mike Heemer

Mike

I agree. I have no problems with the folks using their golf carts in these areas. They paid and moved to these areas to enjoy this life style and they should be able to do so.

TRUTHHURTS

JM -

I must agree with the premise of your original blog - that is "Who will get the blame?" in the unfortunate circumstance that one of those carts full of kids, on the road legally, gets crushed by a very large truck on EH parkway. 

It certainly won't be the 14 year old's blame, driving the cart around while Mom is driving her Acura to tennis and Dad is jetting around on business.  Not little Johnny's fault, why he was driving the cart safely while it was loaded down with about 6 of his buddies with the music blaring. 

But - they are on the road legally.  Personally I don't think anybody should be driving carts on the road unless they have a valid FL driver's license.  Just my opinion. 

How can we put a 14 year old in a 'vehicle' that not only weighs slightly more than their bicycle, but has no safety devices at all, they have not been trained at all, and not expect a tragedy.  It will happen, only a matter of time. 

Oh, and the hot coffee, just reference to the infamous hot coffee lawsuit agains McDonalds when somebody burnt themselves on their coffee.  They were legally drinking the coffee, but the rest is history...

I do not care what HOA says it is wrong for Children under the age of 14 to operate any motorized vehicle on the county roads.

 No I didn't call the police because I took pictures of the stuff and put my findings on this blog so the EH rezs may have 1st shot at regulating their "Own" special rules. It is their golf carts and their kids that were doing this.

 I saw lots of people jogging, walking, playing golf. I saw about 10 golf carts in and around the area. I could give a fat rats butt about all that. My problem is with CHILDREN using these as main form of transportation. I do have a picture of the cart the 5 kids that were on the sidewalk.

The two in the picture knew they were busted cause as soon as they saw me with my camera they disappeared in to the woodwork! I of all people know kids will be kids but when they are hurt I just wanted to know who will get the blame, the Sheriff or Bocc.

Ya'll can have your HOAs and your golf carts, ya'll chose to live there,  but I don't have to stand by while someone is hurt due to "special" rules that only apply to "special" commuities.

I also saw yesterday durning the same time, a motorcycle deputy, pulling over a speeding rez.  Is he exempt for going over the posted 30mph speed limit, Guess not!  

CCC;

I loved the hot coffee. Got it.

You have a point about 14 year olds and golf carts. I was a little surprised at that myself when I moved here. But then I was greatly surprised that Florida lets 16 year olds get a license. Way too young in my opinion to be out and about on the highways.

I don't know where each of you live, but I'd guess that it is not in EH or someplace else that is trying to get golf carts authorized.

It is not like there are scads of them on the streets every day. If you sat in here every day for a week you probably wouldn't see 25 kids on carts even during the summer. Other than golfers you probably wouldn't see 50. And that would be in a busy week.

Mike Heemer

Maxie I agree.

Fact, it is illegal to operate a golf cart on the roadways.

Fact, in order to do this the BoCC are required to provide a "special" exemption that allows this cart on the roadways.

Fact, 60 some people can petition the Commissioners and get this "special" exemption. It is in the process right now.

Fact, people will disobey the laws.

Fact, in time someone will get hurt. Maxie's question remains who will be blamed?

The number of people requesting this "special" exemption will continue to increase as people see this happening. I have a suggestion for these HOA. Instead of making the entire county a party to your "special" exemption. The HOA could up those fees instead and install cart paths for the pleasure of those residents that decide they want to live there and get "special" exemptions. You can have roadways for cars. Sidewalks for walkers and bikers, and cart paths for those who would like to ride their golf cart. Then you can have the HOA up those fees and hire security to patrol there areas and make sure the residents are in compliance. After all if you want "special exemptions" you pay for those and not the county taxpayers who do not enjoy this "special exemption", but are asked to exempt them by law and pay for it with our taxdollars. That does not mean no one will ever get hurt on one of these golf carts but it will limit the chances. They should not be on the roadways. That's why we have laws that say no.

Another point, If some 60 people can lobby (petition) our county government for this "special" exemptions for a few at the cost of all, and get this passed. Yet they will ignore the wishes of over 5000 people to place an amendment on the ballot. That allows no one a special exemption but honors the request of 5000 people. I'm certain no one will be maimed or killed in that process. I do see special treatment here.

I to liked that ref...

MR. Mike

all it takes is one child hurt on these things, that is way to many. And kids on carts in traffic = tragic results. If one does it, they all want to do it and sooner or later, it will happen.

And looking back now it seemed they knew they were in the wrong, because of the speed of the first bunch, and the disappearing act of the second bunch...

and everyone knows kids will be kids....but people will be people and they will speed and they will run stop signs and they will be in the same place at the same time as one of these kids and their carts

  It doesn't matter where i  live I am only looking out for the kids. A few years ago, about every kid in my neighborhood got the motorized scooters. Zoom Zoom all day and night even though they didn't have lights. on the streets on the sidewalks these things were every where. NO helmets, sometimes no shoes....my point is how many of these guys got hurt before mom and dad stopped them?

Jet skies are another hazard of childhood. these are very powerful machines that will kill you. The operator has to be 14 to ride these. most kids can't sneak dad's jetski out while he isn't home. but you know they would if they could...

You are defending adults,doing adult things.  I don't think children doing adult things is right in any neighborhood.

Enough of this it is too pretty of a day to spend here defending my position on all this crapp

GGot to go mow mow the grass!!!  

Maxie;)

Finder - I do live in EH, and have since it opened.  Not quite the same as the old days, but hey at least I don't have to drive "into town" for Home Depot.

Even tho I live in EH, I still disagree with 14 year olds riding the carts.  What I see mainly is a social event in 14 year olds cruising with music blaring and sometimes 6 kids in one cart.  I have almost hit at least one coming across a road and not at a crosswalk, through the grass.  And yes, they got a piece of my mind but unfortunately left too quickly for me to get a number off the cart or a name.

Agree with Angela regarding separate paths, the first one I can recall is Peachtree City in South Atlanta - they built separate paths for golf carts, and built in speed deterrents like trees, bumps, turns, etc...  Not sure of the age to operate though.

Regardless, this summer is sure to be interesting and over the years I have been in EH the carts have exploded in numbers.  Oh, for the good old days of kids riding their bikes to the pool. 

On a side note, ever notice that most of the kids in the carts are somewhat healthy looking, as in being able to survive in the wilderness with no food for about a week?

Maxie;

I'm not disputing what you are saying per se and you don't have to 'defend' yourself against me. I'm pretty much on your side. At least as far as underage kids driving golf carts.

All I'm saying is that you really don't know how old they were, or where they were going with the 'disappearing' act. I'm not saying that it wasn't as you think it was, only that there are other possibilities.

All I'm saying is that 'everyone' isn't riding a cart. There are very few kids or even adults riding carts and most of them are doing it legally. While you were here, how many golf carts did you see with kids in them?

I don't know what 'area' you were in so I can't comment as to whether those were golf course carts (of which there are more than 50) or personal carts. They all look the same. They are either all green or all white.

In addition, the golf course crosses EH Parkway twice. One of those places is right across from the club house. You come off 18 and have to drive up to the crossing to get back to the parking lot.

It only takes one. I agree, but you can't lock them in the house tied to a pillar. Some are going to push the limits and some won't. Some parents are going to do the right thing some aren't.

I agree that 14 is probably too young to drive a jet ski, an ATV, a boat, a motorized scooter and a lot of other things. I also think 16 is too young to be able to drive a car too. The problem is that this is the law in Florida. We can't change that overnight.

CCC;

I've only been here 2 years so I'm not privy to all the history. How long have we been able to ride carts in EH. I thought it was pretty recent but I could be wrong. Have we had any accidents that you know of with golf carts getting hit by cars?

Do you think we really have a problem with many kids under 14 driving carts on the road? Do you think this is a big enough issue that the HOA or CDD should change the rules to require the driver to be 16 and have a driver license? I haven't seen it as a real issue myself. I hardly ever see anyone riding a cart let alone kids that are under 14.

The carts that I have seen with kids in them are pretty much look like they are 14 or over and are doing what they are supposed to do. Actually most of them are probably safer drivers than many of the idiots I see on 17 and 220.

Is there an issue of lots kids under 14 driving carts that I'm not seeing? If so I'd certainly be willing to add my name to a list of residents that want the age changed.

Angela;

We already have a security patrol that covers the community. They ride around on a golf cart BTW.

I can fully understand and appreciate Maxie's comments. She is trying to point out an area that the residents of EH might want to take a look at. She is showing and has a genuine concern for the safety of the children.

You on the other hand come across as someone who couldn't care less about kids driving golf carts except that it gives you another opportunity to bash the BCC and places like EH.

I just can't figure out why it is that you hate everything to do with government so much. You just come across as someone who is truly bitter with how the government has treated them.

Does it really make you feel better or change the county for the better for you to stir the pot and play lets you and him fight? I can only assume that it does because you do it so often and so well.

This one should make you really happy. You took an issue that is not really an issue and turn it into something it should never have been.

It obviously served some purpose for you, though I can't for the life of me see what it accomplished except to make Maxie feel like I was attacking her which I would never do.

Mike Heemer

Finder

Not sure when the carts were officially authorized in EH, but I see it as a natural demographic change, just like the fact that the elementary school is now smaller. 

The little kids are growing up and many are junior high-ish.  Mom and Dad have bought them tricked out golf carts in preparation for their high school BMWs. 

Yes, I am cynical but in reality the real problem, like in most cases, is caused by a select few.  I have witnessed several incidents of adolescents driving golf carts like they were playing a video game. 

It just amazes me that any responsible parent would put their 14 year old behind the wheel in a cart, not even designed to withstand hitting a small dog, on the same road as 10,000 pound vehicles.  But I am afraid these same parents have never uttered the word NO to their kids and want like crazy to be their friend more than their parent.

Carts on the roads driven by adults on their way to playing golf - no problem.  Carts driven by 14-16 year olds without a driver's license - a problem.

CCC: thank you  

Carts on the roads driven by adults on their way to playing golf - no problem.  Carts driven by 14-16 year olds without a driver's license - a problem.

The carts need to be used as intended: to drag players around the golf course, not as a second form of transportation, just because junior doesn't want to walk to mickey D's or God forbid mom or dad drive them.

It isn't legal for a 14 yo to be driving, they have to wait till 15 , get their learners permit and then jump thru all the hoops adminstered by the DMV. Once they are 16, and pass the test (and pay $$)  they can legally drive anything they want but they still have to follow the rules of the road.

I will give the 2 on the road the benefit of the age thing, but as for the 5 on the sidewalk the is no way they were older than 14 and I would guess they were younger and they weren't playing golf?  

BUT when I was leaving that area I saw these two on the golf cart on Eagle Harbor Parkway. I turned around to see how far they were going to "drive" on the road. I took this picture as proof as to their ages and mode of transportation.

They look as big as myself, althougn some kids are larger, i surely have a license. 

Now, underage or without a liscense, that would be illegal.  But if golf carts are allowed on the road in EH and other areas like EH, then more power to them. 

This isn't lady lake, where everyone is ninety driving their carts across 301, more power to those who use the bridge.  Where they have golf parking spaces and golf cart speed limits and golf cart police.  I can see the original point of this blog, but i think some don't want golf carts on the road no matter who is driving, some (one in particular) sounds like everything revolves around them and if i pisses them off, well hell it must piss everyone else off too. 

Who is to blame? The parents, legally speaking, the kid is repsonsible.

I can remember when this law was adopted back in the early 1980’s. The original golf cart law was adopted for residents of golf communities to utilize their own cart to drive too the course, cross county roads and play a round of golf. Then the law changed again to accommodate senior citizens living in large mobile home parks and communities like the Villages south of Ocala. Now the law accommodates parents in making their lazy teenagers lazier. God forbid a teenager walk more than 100 yards or ride a bicycle or not have a cell phone.  Yep I said, so I guess I will be stoned. Parents in denial and instant gratification for teenagers that is what the world is about today.

We didn’t have cell phones growing up and we got along just fine. We rode our bicycles in to town 5 miles one way 2-3 times a week to swim in the city pool.  It didn’t kill us.

My guess would be the person at "fault' will get the blame if an accident happened.

It makes me think back to all the crazy things I did when I was a child between 14 and 16. It would boggle the mind. Can anyone remember all the crazy daring things they did as a child? Sometimes we got hurt sometimes we got the heck scared out of us. 

I have seen teens on golf carts in EH and it does not bother me. I have seen teens riding their bikes on CR 220 bike lane in much heavier traffic also and thats legal.

If you drive defensively and responsibly when going through EH, I am sure you will not hit any childeren in a golf cart. Whenever I drive through any golf community I am always mindful that a golf cart may pop out at any time and I drive the speed limit. I don't know the statistics but my guess would be that the number of teens hit by a car in a golf cart in EH is minute to null. 

A golf cart is not a muscle car or dragster. there is not much damage you are going to do with one. As a matter of fact you probably have more control over a golf cart then you do over a bike, and a good bike will probably go much faster.

As a side note how many people place their childeren on school busses everyday that do not have seat belts on them? Oh the bus driver has a seat belt, but not one child. Has anyone ever taken legal action for their child being injured in a school bus accident because they didn't have a seat belt to wear?

Personally I think this is much ado about nothing. If someone is speeding, or drunk, or looses control of a vehicle and injures a child in a golf cart in an area were it is legal for them to do so they will be just as much to blame if they hit the child on a bike on CR 220, or anywhere else.

TRUTHHURTS

On that side note, i think, not for sure, but any vehicle over 2500 pounds, nobody is required to wear a seat belt.  And let's be honest, there are padded seat in front of your child and no space in between the seats, so you're not going anywhere. 

If  kid gets hit in a school bus, they'll almost certainyl survive, if an adult or a kid gets hit in a golf cart...........hope you have insurance.

 Mag(u remember that far back,  u must be older than me)

There weren't as many people on the roads and the "me" attitude was not as thick. 

 The great huge planned communities weren't everywhere and if the golf carts were ok'd to drive in and around golf communities, fine.

 But when Children under the legal driving age are driving on the county and state roads at 4:30 in the afternoon when everyone is heading home down the main "drag" with the sun in their eyes, talking on the phone, yelling at the kids in the back seats, worrying about what to have for dinner, or how they are going to pay the high$ mortgage, how in the world are they going to avoid some child under the legal driving age on golf cart that has just as much right to be on the road (according to EH HOA) as their 10,000 pound speeding vehicle.

Once again I don't give a fat rat's butt about what they do in EH on golf carts, I care about children on the EH parkway and Lakeshore Dr riding on golf carts.

 This has nothing to do with seat belts on buses,(which won't never happen until a child is killed) Buses are a lot bigger than a golf cart.*note to self: child will be riding a bus next year*  or what people are suppose to do, because we all know that people do not do what they are suppose to do unless the deputies are there.

This has everything to do with when a child gets hurt on a golf cart,  who will get the blame, EH HOA, the Sheriff, or the County, or even the State of FL for allowing Children  who aren't legally allowed to drive on major roads, in a golf cart.

Why would EH HOA, the sheriff, the county, or the state get the blame?  Are parents not responsible for their underaged child.  The rules are clearly stated on the golf cart and on atvs.  Do you think the government or EH or HOA is condoning this activity by not being there at the right time or imposing strict enough penalties, why does the government have to be the babysitter of your child except in school hours?

never mind.

I am going away from this now!!!

Well, then  what is your point?  You're the one who asked who's to blame, i told you who's to blame.  Stickers are on golf carts and on atvs telling what the driving age is.  The cops can't be everywhere, so the parent's are left?  I understand you not wanting children to be in dangerb/c they're not legally or mentally ready to operate any motor or electrical vehicle and not being aware of the potential life threating danger and that's humane and admirable, but i guess i didn't understand that your point was that. 

Mr. Heemer

Maxie started a blog and you responded. Then truthhurts responded. Then you responded. Then truthhurts responded and then you responded. Then truthhurts responded again. Then CCC responded. Then Maxie responded and then you responded again. Then........Angela responded. If my counting is correct that totals ten before I responded.

However this is your statement to me, "It obviously served some purpose for you, though I can't for the life of me see what it accomplished except to make Maxie feel like I was attacking her which I would never do." Now I don't know how you came to that determination from the 10 entries before mine but whatever floats your boat.

In the animal control blog it was stated I hated animals. Now in the golf cart blog you insinuate I hate children.

I agreed with Maxie's statement, "Someone better think about this before they allow any other "special" golf cart "rules".

Asking for accountability from your government is not bashing. Sometimes they need a reminder that just making a few citizens in an area happy, so they vote for you the next time. Is not always what's best for the county.

I see a trend here and if one neighborhood gets a "special" exemption. Then here comes the others. So what will the Commissioners do start giving everyone a "special" exemption. I'm certain Flemming Island would like the idea, and then we'll keep going. Where do we stop? Why can one neighborhood have golf carts and another not be allowed? Well what happens when you say no more golf carts and special exemptions because it has become a problem. Then the HOA gets an attorney and files suit against the county.

If anybody on the blogs wants golf carts in your community contact Commissioner Bradley or Conkey and asked them to send you a copy of the ordinance. Then get a few people in your neighborhood to say we want golf carts. The HOA to agree to buy the signs and "voilà" you have golf cart city.

As I have seen in many communities where the responsiblitiy of the golf carts are on the HOA. They build golf cart paths and people are required to drive on them. They get no "special" exemption. To me, this is the best remedy to a what could otherwise be a problem for the county and the taxpayers. If the homeowners are willing to pay the extra money in fees and install cart paths. Then let them decide and be willing to except the cost associated with the privilege. Let that community take full responsiblity for its rules, regulations, and expenses.

Who gets the blame? That would depend on the attorney and circumstances when something does happen. Anybody can be open to exposure when litigation is involved. Lots of times some of these people will settle just to avoid huge litigation cost. That could end up being us the taxpayers. Of course we know all attorneys go after the deep pockets because that's where the money is. Most HOA don't meet the deep pockets profile but county taxpayers look good to attorneys. However, I'm certain these HOA like having the county (taxpayers) involved in their risk and minimizing their exposure.

I don't call that bashing but asking for some accountability from my county officials. I guess now I hate golf carts.

Angela;

With the chance of having this post pulled, being censored and/or chastised, this one is just for you!

This whole thread was started by your post in the BCC thread. You very successfully introduced golf carts into that thread which had nothing to do with the original subject. Unfortunately I was stupid enough to debate the point with you there.

Now the next thing you know we have a thread that concerns golf carts. I know Maxie's agenda. It is the safety of children. It is an honorable and worthwhile agenda with no animosity toward any individual or group, only a concern about a situation that she sees as needing action. I obviously don't totally agree with her feelings but I respect them, her advocacy and her.

From you on the other hand I can see no worthwhile reason for your participation in this thread other than to stir the pot like you did in the BCC thread. From what I can see that is your modus operandi. From your statements here it seems as if you have already forgotten about what you said and implied in that post.

Any time someone comes close to taking you to task over some thread that you want to hijack and turn to your political bent you start sending up smoke and start flashing mirrors to obscure the issue. If you can't honestly defend your position or opinion you turn it into an argument on some other subject.

I have yet to see you post one positive statement about anything. It is all negative and argumentative. This thread is a prime example. Is there any reason for you to bring in the 'special' people in their 'special' developments other than to irritate and denigrate those of us who live in them? This is the same line you took in the BCC thread.

People had finally had enough of that in the other thread and quit posting there so now you have to move to this one. This discussion was at least making sense till you had to insert yourself into the mix and stir the pot with the 'special' people in the 'special' developments with their 'special' exemptions. Do we make you feel inferior or something? I just can't figure out what your problem is with us. And it is us. You never seem to malign anyone else, just the people in HOA type developments.

I actually feel a little (not much, but a little) sorry for you. You have got to be the unhappiest person I have ever had the displeasure of trying to communicate with. Even a stupid dog will learn after a while. I have finally learned that the best way for me to handle this is to not participate.

That will serve two purposes. It will save me a lot of heartburn and aggravation and it will mean one less person available for you to vent your vitriolic anti-government, anti-planned, and anti-golf course community sentimentality on.

Buh-Bye!

Mike Heemer

Don't worry Mr. Heemer, Commissioner Bradley want take your golf carts away.

Mike

This is going no where, dont' even bother with it. Take the higher road, and move on.

TRUTHHURTS