From Blue Collar Comedy - I Believe -

Mike,

Yeah, I caught this one on one of the news wires this morning.  After @ an hour, hour & a half, Bill Donohue of the Catholic League put his two cents in as he usually does on any subject he deems worthy of his attention.

As you probably know, I am an advocate of church state separation.  But this one is is a puzzlement.  I can see the arguements on both sides.

On separation:  A state should not, at the very least, appear, to favor a particular religion or religion at all.

I also agree with Donohue's view that this is voluntary.  One would have to pay for it and no one is compelled to buy it.  He also went on to say that people purchase specialized plates for sports teams.  Unfortunately, Uncle Bill decided to put his foot, usually in his mouth, into the deep part of the doo doo pile.  He went on to equate the "belief" of this part pf the proposed license plate, to the "belief" that people have towards their sports teams, the manatee, the jaguar & whatever else.  He conveniently forgot to mention the measure that was shot down a few years ago to add a plate to answer the "Choose Life," plate with one that said, "Choose Choice."  I'll let you guess as to what group had that shot down.

When the nits get to the grits, I'll fall back on my favorite of letting the law settle this.  But for my two cents, avoid it completely & save the tax payers a ton of money.  JATFUR.

RichK

If this catches on, could the Druids, Wiccans and assorted other Supreme Beings next? Be still my heart!

Lily's Lore "I don't ever want to be rescued And I don't ever want to be saved I got a feelin' that I'm gonna be alive forever Dancin' on the edge of a grave..." Jim Steinman

I found one of the comments I saw in a news article about this that I just didn't quite know how to take.

One of the legislatures that voted against the plate in committee said this was somewhere we didn't want to go because she didn't want to see a Star David or a Torah next.

I guess it depends on how you read that. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt and assume she meant that she didn't want to have to deal with all the other requests this could generate.

But that is an issue we could face with this. How about a Wiccan or an Agnostic or an Atheist?

I like the sentiment of the drug education people. Just say no. This could be trouble of a serious nature.

Mike Heemer http://24.23.126.8/ Petition for choice (5 or 7) in Nov.

Sorry folks I just can't help myself.

What come to mind to me is that Seinfeld episode where the proctologist has the plate

ASS-Man

TRUTHHURTS

Well, sorry to all of my baptist buddies!  But the government must stay out of this one, otherwise we'll have to be fair everyone as finder made reference to.  We'll need agnostic, atheist, homo...oops tags.  Really we need to just stick with the state of florida and other respectful states being the only emblem on the tag. 

Question, does the state authorize all tags, or are some tags county by county?

Not to bash believers as i am one, but there are an influx of bumper stickers that have the same level of effectiveness.  There are so many ways to get the word out these days, but this should not be one (that's on a personal level).

Mike, et al,

Just read the article @ the plates in the TU this morning.  It was the same one I read yesterday or day before.  Upon second reading of this source, along with others, it's fun to speculate, wishing I had the ability to read minds. 

F'rinstance:

Does Rep. Edward Bullard really think that the majority of people have double digit IQ's emblazoned on their collective foreheads in scarlet letters?  His pathetic attempt to equate a person's "belief," in their schools, a comparisson not based in any form of logic except bad, to their belief in religion, is grasping at intellectual straws in the wind and an insult to the people. 

Do those who are against recognising other religions, Wiccans, etc. actually think that others can't see that no particular religion is any more or less valid than any other?  Do they actually think that most people don't see this as nothing more than another agenda to expand the already privileged status of Christianity by yet again violating the principles of the First Amendment?

I would like to think that our legislators will have the foresight to see the # of problems they will have to face, the money spent, the money wasted, if they vote this in.  But I'm sorry to say that history has shown us that they, in all probability, won't.  More's the pity.  JATFUR.

RichK

Finder, there is a practical aspect to opening up license plates to the various religious philosophies that may be overlooked.

For example, what kind of artwork on the plate will work for agnostics?  Maybe an orange superimposed over a big question mark?  Atheist license plates would, of course, just be numbers over a blank, open background.

I, too, hope the reference to the Star of David and Torah was only an example and not a specific concern of that legislator.

Michael S. Mann

michaelsmann@comcast.net

This isn't about religion.  Period.

This is another way for the state to increase revenue funds.  In the mid-80's there were about 68 different Florida tags.  Most had a county designation.  There were other designators for trucks, trailers, auto dealers, etc.

Then came Challenger and gradually we were introduced to more specialty tags.  Most come with an additional charge.  I lost count, but there should now be over 140 different FL tags.  It's about the money.  Settle down.

Solo, OneMann;

You guys have made my day. Always great to start off with a good chuckle (the red ones are best, don't care for the green ones). 

I would like to think that our legislators will have the foresight to see the # of problems they will have to face, the money spent, the money wasted, if they vote this in.

Remember, this is the same bunch that thought all the following are/were good ideas.

Getting into the Terri Schiavo case.

Can't teach evolution.

Choose life plate but not choose choice.

Make a woman get an ultrasound before she can have an abortion.

Ban anything that even resembles marriage for anyone except 1 man and 1 woman.

Abstinence is the only approved sex education.

Semi;

I'd have to disagree with that. If it was just the money anyone could get one and there wouldn't be all this debate. They would have approved the Choose Choice plate and they would not be making statements about not wanting the Star of David etc.

No, I just don't buy that one. It ain't the money.

Mike Heemer http://24.23.126.8/ Petition for choice (5 or 7) in Nov.

Mike Mann,

Good suggestions.  Not being an atheist, I don't know what they would want.  Maybe a cross inside a circle with a slash?  As an agnostic, I like your idea of the orange, but would add two things.  On one side of the orange I would put the phrase, "Just the Facts, Please." & on the other side, "Cogito, Ergo Sum."  (I think, therefore, I am)

Semi,

Thank you.  That aspect went right under my radar & thinking apparatus. As I've always said, in any given situation, there will be someone who will think @ making a buck on those who don't think @ it.

Finder,

I'm always happy to produce a chuckle or two for others.  I haven't had a red or green one in years.  As with Semi, you're right on the mark with your points also.  Truth be told, I'm starting to get an inferiority complex living in a state that by & large, shoots itself in the foot so much & in so many ways that it makes a laughing stock out of itself in the the eyes of the rest of the country & in some cases, the world. 

But, as Cool Hand Luke would say, "Yeah...well."  It would probably be easier to run from the problem rather than try to fix it.  But I always like a challenge.  After all, I've been married to the same woman for 37 years.  Heck, she must love challenges too.  So I guess I'll stay & keep my 2 cents on the radar.  JATFUR.

RichK

Yankees call them 'plates'; Floridians call them 'tags'. 

I want a plate/tag with a Darwin fish.  Thanks.

Judy

Link to petition: http://24.23.126.8/Petition.pdf

Finder,

Mike, I get two editions every day from the ACLU of Florida.  One is on criminal justice/law & the other is on church state.  They are a news clearinghouse like many other pubs.  When I got to mine this morning, I had to share.  It dovetails with your list & my comments on the state of Florida.

1st story was the article on the license plate story from AP.  It was the same we saw in the TU.

2nd story was @ anti tax legislation slash & public schools bleed from the Daytona Beach News Journal Ed. 04.24.08.  The state wants to cut taxes & what gets hit first?  The public school system, of course!  As if the math & science scores in the state aren't deep enough in the crapper.

3rd story.  Having women who want an abortion view a sonogram, from the Orlando Sentinel ED., 04.24.08.  Somewhere in there, it's moving towards a privacy issue.

4th story.  Last, but not least, it's an Ed. from the Palm Beach Post, 04.24.08 @ the continuing effort by friends of former Gov. Jeb Bush to try & revive the school voucher system by any back door method possible.  I guess Bush & his cronies think that the decision by the Supreme Court of Florida that vouchers are unconstitutional was just a suggestion on a slow news day.

As I said, these dovetail nicely & I just had to share.  To top it all, amidst all of these seemingly unimportant issues, time & money is being spent/wasted on deciding the earth shattering importance of a state song.  Ya gotta love the ironic nature, huh?JATFUR.

RichK

What's interesting to me is that the money goes to one specific group who has the wherewithal to collect the necessary signatures (or whatever the process is). Therefore they now corner the market (so to speak) on "I Believe." People who want to have such a "tag" (I'm a Florida girl myself) are automatically funding this group, whether or not they agree with the organization's politics, methods, and ideology.

Now I understand that's free trade, but does the state need to participate in fund raising for groups who would trun around and use it for political purposes or push an ideological agenda? I'm not sure I like where this tag fund raising business has gone. Restoring coral reefs? Okay. Colleges(even though it's probably just the sports)? Well, okay. Helping abused children? Fine. Political perspectives? Yuck. I just don't like it.

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Fellow Bloggers,

As it seems that some of you have voiced concerns over the license plate issue, I have a venue to voice your concerns.

I received a letter from a friend of mine who gave me an e mail address to State Senator, Julie Fishman.  If you are opposed to the idea of a "Believe," license plate, voice your concern to Senator Fishman by e mailing her at fishman.julie@flsenate.gov.

This would seem to be a great way to let the powers that be know @ our concerns.

RichK

Solo;

Thanks! The mail is in the mail. Or internet actually. 

Mike Heemer http://24.23.126.8/ Petition for choice (5 or 7) in Nov.

I looked up this bill on the Fl Senate website and found that Sen Ronda Storms is sponsor of this bill. She, interestingly enough, brought us the [anti]Teaching of Chemical and Biological Evolution, which has absolutely, positively nothing to do with religion. Trust us. (No really, that's practically what it says!)

The proceeds from the license plates "shall be used to fund programs, activities, and projects that promote faith based education."

Hope that doesn't include science class materials.

She apparently tried to tack it on to a bill for a lighthouse preservation tag. The sponsor of that bill said something resembling "Get that icky thing away from my bill before it contaminates our chances of passing." Well, in a nice way.

source: Florida Public Radio - Capital Report - you can get the podcast, but the mention is pretty brief.

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Does that mean we get a refund for paying for our kids faith based education or are they going to lower the cost of tutition at faith based schools.. why don't they make a plate for the school systems, to help with the bugdet, oops my bad the already have ABC/123 tags. Canyou tell I been in a tiny space with Kilz paint all day? Not that I ever make much sense anyway,,,,,,,,

what is faith based education anyway?

3CK,

There are mo connections here.  Sen. Storms is the person who headed the attempt to get the Evolution Academic Freedom Act pushed through when the State of Florida realised that it was, indeed, the 21st century & magnanimously allowed the word "evolution," in science classes.  for more on this, check my blog titled "Evolution Academic Freedom Act," 04.10.08.  Basically, it provided for other theories to be introduced in addition to evolution.  One big problem there.  There are no other theories out there.  You can call them many things.  Ideas, conjectures, mythology or whatever else.  Problem being, none of them come close to meeting the requirements of a theory as defined in the dictionary or science field.  What it boiled down to was that she, & others, wanted to have intelligent design/biblical creationism taught in a science class.  There's the prickly little problem of church state separation, among other things. That's point #1.

Faith based education, for you & jimmaxie.  Part of the proceeds from the tags would go to faith based education.  As part of larger issues, such as faith based initiatives & school vouchers, it boils down to taking public money from taxes & putting them into private, usually Christian schools/businesses.  Downside here?  Money is then taken away for public schools, religious discrimination in job hiring is legal & once again, that prickly little issue of separation.  Prime example is the fact that even President Bush knew that he probably wouldn't get the issue of faith based initiatives passed through Congress & even if he could, it would then be a law subject to legal redress on a Constitutional level & would probably get thrown out.  That's why he back doored the whole thing by issuing an Executive Order.  Which is why, when it went to the Supreme Court some months ago, they were able to do the Texas two step & not hear it because it was not a law.  By the by, your tax dollars, my tax dollars, along with everyone elses, to the tune of BILLIONS of dollars a year ,are being spent in so many ways.  They are being used for religious purposes, to favor religious enterprises & that is a clear violation of the separation principle.  Go ahead & google faith based initiatives & let your fingers do the walking.  Beginning to see a pattern here?  As I said, that was point #2.

Check out the front page of the Metro section of the TU today.  What's before the voters?  School vouchers, something the Fl. Supreme Ct. has & is, declared unconstitutional, and "a constitutional ban on direct & indirect state financial aid to churches & religious organizations would be REPEALED."  I find all of these situations so very curious when one considers that at every opportunity, Christian evangelicals cry & shout out to the rest of the world that Christianity is being discriminated against and that the godless, secular part of society is taking god out of the public square.  When you hear something like that, grab hold of your wallet & put your hip waders on, you'll need to.  One just has to ask, "Just who is trying to BS whom?"  That was the third point.  On a side issue, anything that has to do with school vouchers in the state of Fl., you can bet your last buck that somewhere, lurking in the background is former Gov. Jeb Bush.

So, if you hear someone, oh so matter of factly & oh so innocently say that it has nothing to do with religion, try not to laugh to hard or hurl chunks on them.  It can go either way.  JATFUR.

RichK

Great input all. I agree that it would open a whole can of worms. I don't like seeing all the Porto Rico and Mexican minie flags hanging from the rear view mirror. How would you like them on tags? Lets not forget Muslims, all 100 sects of them. The list could go on forever.

I do not want to go through the whole state budget., but I bet there is a lot of pork barrel stuff that could be cut out and shifted over to the school system.  

Those who give up freedom for security have neither. 

Solo;

You beat me to the punch line and you did it so well! I almost spewed my coffee on the paper this morning when I read the Metro section. Not a good thing to do before the lovely bride reads it.

If we repeal the part that says you can't support churches and religious organizations and you set aside the ruling by the Florida Supreme Court. If the former passes, the latter is a moot point.

Let's see if I understand this correctly. We have a LARGE group of organizations that don't pay taxes. This includes millions/billions of dollars in property taxes, school taxes, sales tax etc. The road impact fee doesn't apply to them. The school impact fee doesn't apply to them. The only thing they have to do is be a religious organization/church and they get a free pass.

Now they could be allowed to suck money from the tax revenue pool that they have not contributed one penny to. You have just got to love these fine legislators.

As Lily said, the Druids and Wiccans could be in for an increase in their financial well being. 

This may be a worse quagmire than the 'I Believe' plate.

Mike Heemer http://24.23.126.8/ Petition for choice (5 or 7) in Nov.

WW,

Money is only one part.  While you may not like the mini flags, they are totally constitutional, they are not being forced upon you, they are not being used to force a change in the national fabric through legislation & they don't cost you or any other taxpayer any money.  The same things can't be said @ the other situations.

You're right @ the list going on forever & obviously the pork barrel issue.

Mike,

Thanks for the kudos.  If you or any of the other bloggers want more detailed info on these subjects, I can only recomend what I do.  I go directly to the sources.  I go to the web sites of entities like the ACLU, Americans United for the Separation of Church & State, 1st Amendment Center & last, but not least, the web sites of the major religious right organizations.  Focus on the Family, American Family Assoc., or google some names to find more.  Don Wildmon, Jerry Falwell, (his son carries on the father's escapades) Matt Staver, Ron Parsley, John Hagee, just to name a few.  The Catholic League is another good one.  Bill Donohue is a real hoot when he leaves the realm of reality which is quite often.

If you do, I reccomend just tuning in to get the feel of what they are like.  After some time, you will find out some interesting things, such as:

1. Forget @ the commandment that says, thou shalt not lie.  Many of them consider it merely a suggestion or possibly a roadblock.

2.  They are extremely well financed & organised.

3.  They are deep into our government.  They make no effort to hide their agenda.

4.  Don't believe the rumors that the religious right is not a dominant fpolitical force any more.  Big mistake if you do.

5.  Billions of our tax dollars are put into their coffers while they also get tax breaks up the wazoo.

6.  They want more & will do anything, I repeat, anything, to get more. 

7.  The situation is much like brandy & cognac.  All cognacs are brandies but not all brandies are cognacs.  Same thing with Christians.  Not all Christians are like the ones we continually hear @. 

Good luck.  Hope you find out more info.  Just remember.  Knowlege is power.  JATFUR.

RichK

Uncle Rich---put on your list the local (way) right wing American Family Forum, they used to be the "Christian Coalition" They will soon send out a questionaire to all the candidates (Look out OneMann) and they "endorse" based on the politicos answers.  Then they send a 50,000 piece mailout. 

They have a small but really dedicated following.  They had a luncheon to honor a few people a few months back.  The attendeance wasn't large.  It is anyones guess if they will have any influence on local races.  It will be interesting to watch, one of the at large candidates is their President.

Back in the day...there used to be  churches that would actually pass around "marked" sample ballots to their parishioners.  Ah, gimmie that old time religion.......

Clayvoter,

There are many more: American values, American vision, Christian coalition(they still have a following) Coral Ridge Ministries< (still chugging along) Liberty council, nat'l assoc. of Evangelicals & World Net Daily, to name a few more.  Not all of these are sites of religious right orgs.  Some are Christian news sites, Christian law sites & the like.  Point is, I'm fortunate enough to have a tool, the computer, & would be a fool not to use it as a resource tool.  I wish more people would.  JATFUR.

RichK

RickK I think the Christian Science Monitor is a great news source. As you say, not all of them are sites of the religious right. Just sources of good information. I like my computer too. 

Back in the day...there used to be  churches that would actually pass around "marked" sample ballots to their parishioners.  Ah, gimmie that old time religion.......

Clayvoter:  I'm sorry to say it's not "back in the day", but "here in this day".  Just before the 2006 election I was told by a co-worker here on Fleming Island, that she had received a sample ballot with "suggestions" as to how to mark her ballot FROM HER CHURCH!!  She was quite pleased that they had done her thinking for her.

Yeegads!

Link to petition to remove 2 at-large seats: http://24.23.126.8/Petition.pdf

Angela,

Yes, the CSM is another excellent source & is on my favorites list.  I consider that & the Associated Baptist Press probably the best.  Reason?  They give news stories & articles on not only "in house," religious issues with only a rare pro religious stand, but I have yet to see any of the bashing type stories, one sided anti secular rhetoric or anything resembling the law breaking/bending practices I find in the orgs.

Sunflower,

I cruised through the memory stick in the "church state" folder & found numerous stories concerning not only what you mentioned, but instances where ministers were brought to light because they used their pulpit to either endorse or or discourage a particular candidate.  It is not a new trend, nor is it the exception.  It goes on a lot more than is realised.  and those are just the ones that are reported.  It is not only done in the pulpit.  On line "voting samples" proliferate at an alarming rate.  Once again, the general public rarely ever hears @ these stories.  JATFUR.

RichK

Thanks RickK for the other source. I've not heard of the ABP. I will check it out. It is a very interesting story about the CSM and how it came about.

Wow, what work you do when I'm busy on house projects.

Uncle Rich, your evaluation of the evolution debate is the tune I've been singing since the CCSB evolution resolution debacle in January. Thanks for the refresh on the topic - I hope it stays in the minds of our voters as our legislature works on this bill this week. My prediction if it passes: some friendly people from the "totally secular" groups out there (Florida Family Policy Council and friends) are going to provide some very interesting literature or power point slides for the science teachers to use to "critically analyze evolution" - none of which will be actually scientifically relevant or valid. In fact, there is no scientific or secular reason for this legislation other than to make political inroads in the science classroom. 

Unfortunately some teachers will use the materials because they feel pressured. Some will use it because their ministers want them to and they personally could use some professional remediation about the science. And some will refuse and feel a backlash from the politically active "nonreligious" (nonscientific) folks who feel teaching evolution without some sort of "equal time" will make atheists out of their children. Sigh. Either way, I smell a Dover-esque lawsuit.

Oh and did you hear the First Baptist Church in Jax is starting a k-6 school? Their members are on the pointy end of this [anti] teaching evolution legislation, along with some Orlando and Tampa folks. I wonder if the organization that receives the funding for the license plates, Faith In Teaching, Inc is connected. The website is full of a whole lot of nothing; seems set up just for show. 

You know, I'm all for faith based education if you want to pay for it. I just don't want to have it in my kids' science classes. 

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3ck, Like you, I'm all for faith based education.  As long as it is not funded by public money.

On the problem with Evolution/Academic Freedom, I can see a double edged sword.  On one hand, I say, it it's not a theory, it shouldn't be taught in a science class.  Mention the fact that there are, indeed, other ideas of human origin out there.  that's only right.  On the other hand, I would tell the religious right to come in, present their evidence & judge on thaeir merit.  since they have no teory & no evidence, it would be short, sweet & the end of wasting time & money.  Oh well, I doubt that common sense will prevail.  I certainly hope that we don't see a Dover, Part II.

No, I didn't hear @ the new FBC school.  I'll have to keep my eye on it to see what I can see. 

RichK

When churches hold services in public schools (i.e. First Baptist Church, South Campus, in Swimming Pen Elementary School) do they pay rent to use the facilities?  Also, I believe their parking signs are illegal according to the ordinance, but not sure about that.  I notice the very large signs on the entrance and exit are changed to smaller ones, but their signage is still there at the public school.

Does anyone have the answer or know how I can find out? 

Just curious.
Judy

Link to 7-2 petition: http://24.23.126.8/Petition.pdf

Solo -  

Beware the common anti - evolutionist trap about the Theory of Evolution. Scientific theory (big T) - hypothesis tested and supported becomes redefined as a Theory. Layman's theory (little t) - conjecture. I heard this mixed up usage on the floor of the FL Senate last week and it made my blood boil. This is not a mistake - activists are deliberately using the common use of "theory" to claim that evolution and say, ID, are equally qualified for the science classroom. "Equal time" This is poppycock.

Now, knowing that after Kitzmiller, that ID won't fly, they want to present information that contradicts evolution in the science classroom. Examples presented in the Senate are laughable (I read the blogs where the scientists actually did laugh - wryly)  -- ie. there's no transistional fossil record. I heard that when I was in high school and the info was incorrect then as well. So these folks want to bring inaccurate information into the classroom to challenge evolution, and the legislators (who could use a mandatory science class if they're going to make laws about how science should be taught) are about to make it easier for them.

Florida Citizens for Science has a good response to the legislation that's worth a read. http://www.flascience.org/wp/?p=563

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3ck,

Thanks for the additional info.  It's been said before & I'll say it again.  A great deal of info & learning can be on these blogs.  And it doesn't cost anything extra, just some time & some thought.

You're right.  Too many people use the term theory incorrectly, either because of ignorance, or devious design.  A whole lot of work & processes have to done before the little t becomes a big T.  Also, thanks for the link.

RichK

The Colbert Report had a sketch tonight re: the "I Believe" plate/tag.  You can catch in on reruns in the afternoon or 8:30 p.m. on Comedy Central.  Or...online.  It was funny and woefully on target. 

Again, Florida lawmakers provide fodder for the comedians - at least that's kind of amusing.  What's next on their agenda, I wonder. 

Link to 7-2 = 5 petition: http://24.23.126.8/Petition.pdf

What's next? You didn't hear about the ban on "Truck Nutz"? The NPR news quiz Wait, Wait Don't Tell Me had a fantastic segment on that one last weekend! Another blow for Florida's reputation to make Carl Hiasson proud...

http://www.npr.org/templates/rundowns/rundown.php?prgId=35 Click on "panel round 2" - subtitled "bad news for anatomically correct trucks"

Thank heaven they're debating what matters most. Yippee!

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We heard that on Sat. - turns out one of the lawmakers has them in his truck!!  Was that Jim King?  Anyway, that predated Colbert's Repor on the license plate/tag.  So...I wait anxiously (and with trepidation) to hear "what's next"?   

Bloggers: The link posted by 3claykids is worth a listen, so tune in to hear the antics occurring in Tallahassee on behalf of Floridians.  It'll warm your cockles.

Link to 7-2=5 petition: http://24.23.126.8/Petition.pdf

Yes, Jim King.  According to Mark Woods article, King had them but his wife didn't like it.  Nevertheless, and not surprisingly he is against the ban.  This is the same "king" who tried to put into legislation (I'm not sure if it passed) a law that a person could take home an opened bottle of "expensive" wine from a restaurant.  Seems he got his shorts twisted when he tried it and was stopped.  If I remember correctly, he stated something like 'when you spend that much money, you should be able to take the remainder home'.  Now, I've got myself wondering if that passed.

In the same article (the one I read anyway) they stated that in the next round they were going to take up the shiny silhouettes of naked ladies that adorn a million mud flaps!

All this because some idiot parent (who happens to be a Legislator) didn't know how to explain them to his child.

I am sooooo glad these fine legislators are looking out for my moral well being. If it wasn't for them I might be out looking for back copies of the Folio article 'Whip it Good'.

Mike Heemer http://24.23.126.8/ Petition for choice (5 or 7) in Nov.

Considering all the foolishness & superfluous folderol on this issue, I have to wonder how long it will take some busy body with way too much time on their hands to take notice of & use their imagination on the profile of the MODIS building.  Should the lawmakers pass a law & tear it down because of what it MIGHT remind people of?  OH DEARIE!  Mustn't cause people too much excitement, must it?  It might offend.  It might cause the vapors.  Perspiring about the waistband, eye twitching, finger nail biting & possible swooning.  AUNTIE EM, AUNTIE EM!  Hep me, hep me!  Hmmmmm.....

RichK

even thought of the Modis building as anything other than a building.. Just what do you think you are doing putting those kind of images in my pea brain! now Im offended ...Auntie M to the rescue...