DON, You have crossed the line

This man is more disturbed than I thought.....

 What would you possiably have to gain looking thru that file. I wonder how many other county employees have had  copies of their files given to Don?

I agree with Amie-Don you have stepped over the line! How would you like for people to talk about your wife in that manner? Shame on You!!!

I sure hope your wife is treated with more respect than you have given to Ms. Goon!

CommodoreQueen

Last time I check it takes a TEACHING CERTIFICATE to Teach with a 4 year degree.

Don

You need to check yourself and your facts dummy.

Ms. Goon was an active duty law enforcement officer when she taught, she did not need a teaching certificate "McMillan and Wife"

As for implying she slept her way to her position I think you went way over the line. If I were her I would suit for defamation of character.

Folks this guy is nutty I am telling you. His unhealthy obsession with Ms. Goon and CCAC is dangerous. To go to all this troule and having all her records is not good this person is like a stalker

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Men get a grip it will be all right. You’re wasting a lot of good energy and going about your mission the wrong way.

Dear Employees of CCAC

Please Please Please

If any of you are out here keep your eyes open. This man is very unstable and I do not want any of you good folks getting hurt. He also claims he has all your personel files which means he knows where you live.

Public records are not always a good thing when real lives are in the balance.

If any of the folks that read and contribute to MCS blogs cannot see whats happening here it's a real damn shame.

 TRUTHHURTS

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And Magumforce BRO I won't give up until CCAC is not wasteful place and run better.

Connie,Truthhurt....you got to what to got to when your falsely Accused

Now its CLAY CO WORK TIME off the BLOGS CCAC Employees.

...the emplyees at CCAC.  They really are caught in the worst type of sniping going on here. But if one steps back and takes a second look, the humor of the situation (okay, it's wry humor) will leap out at you.

On one hand there is the vocabulary challenged Don spitting sparks of anguish and howling in frustrated pain yet clearly not accomplishing a thing. On the other hand is the speculum obsessed Truthless Whalebottom talking about Don "crossing the line" Lady, you stomped that line into oblivion a long time ago. I think both of you need a whole rash of meds. Neither of you graduated high school and neither of you have done a darn useful thing with your lives. Get thee to a vocational school and dedicate your lives to the betterment of the Good Earth. As it stands now the greatest improvement either of you can make to the planet would be to remove yourselves from it.  And buy a freakin' dictionary for cheapskate's sake.

Lily's Lore "I don't ever want to be rescued And I don't ever want to be saved I got a feelin' that I'm gonna be alive forever Dancin' on the edge of a grave..." Jim Steinman

Lily you crack me up.

I think the group in opposition would be the employees of CCAC.

I always heard you surround yourself with employees that will make you look good.

Interesting choices by Ms. Goon.

A few quick points about the on-going rantfest about CCAC, its management, its employees and its critics.

1. Don has as much right to acquire a public record and complain about a government agency, its policies and management as any citizen.  And TruthHurts and others absolutely have the right to debate Don's complaints.

2. Re: Don. "If any of the folks that read and contribute to MCS blogs cannot see whats happening here it's a real damn shame."  Please, TH, give the rest of us readers some credit.  We all figured out what's happening here months and months ago to figure out he has an ax to grind, makes unfounded personal charges and rants at the edge of lunacy.  We all figured the same thing out about you months and months ago, too.

3. The continual rant-exchanges from a variety of sources obscures the fact that CCAC is a government agency in need of many improvements.  We don't get to intelligently discuss the merits of any possible suggestions for improvements, though, because the conversation quickly devolves into the selfish amusement of questions or comments about sanity, IQ, motive or pants size.  The ranting and name-calling isn't even designed to make a point - only to insult.

4. People who'd like to discuss the issues of CCAC intelligently are hesitant to join to debate for fear of being associated with the ranters of either side of the issue.  Sure don't want any of the ranters thinking I'm "on their side."

5. Everyone has the right to act like an ass.  Of course, acting like an ass embarrasses most of us, so we choose not to do so on worldwide public forums.

6. And, finally, "As long as he acts like an ass, I'm going to act like an ass" is a truly pathetic excuse for one's personal behavior.

Michael S. Mann

michaelsmann@comcast.net

Mike,

Thank you for saying what badly needed to be said.  I only hope some take it to heart, but I won't hold my breath.  Count me in as one who refuses to participate on this subject.  I've mentioned it before that the reason is exactly what you mentioned.  Absolutely nothing positive has been accomplished by this sandbox behavior.

So often, all too many people only recognise their rights but not the rights of others or their own responsibilities.  That has been shown over & over on this subject.  Glad you brought it up. 

Now, if recent history is any indication, you may want to duck & cover for the bombast that is likely to come your way.  JATFUR.

Rich K

I have no idea how my response wound up under the thread of running for two offices. Jonathan, how do I move it out of there back to "Don, you have crossed the line"?

Solo, jump into the sandbox. Kvetching about nothing will ease some stress. :>)

Lily's Lore "I don't ever want to be rescued And I don't ever want to be saved I got a feelin' that I'm gonna be alive forever Dancin' on the edge of a grave..." Jim Steinman

Lily,

This time I'm sticking to my guns & will have to say, "Thanks, but no thanks."  After monitoring the subject, I really want no part in that.  Besides, I just took a shower & don't want to waste the water.  Besides, as I said to Mike, nothing positive has come out of the subject of CCAC.  Maybe something eventually will, but I refuse to contribute to the trash heap.  It stinks enough now.  Good luck to you, though. JATFUR.

Rich K

Posted by winn1955

Hope you don't mind Lilly I moved your tread where you wanted it

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Submitted by lilyslore on Tue, 07/22/2008 - 10:56am. From One Mann - 3. The continual rant-exchanges from a variety of sources obscures the fact that CCAC is a government agency in need of many improvements. One Mann, I sincerely believe there is nothing on the Lord's Big Blue Ball that isn't in need of some improvement. And you are 100% right, the rants and insults are not going to achieve that at all. (But it's still a perverse kind of fun.) That being said, having been to CCAC numerous times searching fro a lost pet, I must concur that the employees I interacted with were both caring and courteous. Frankly, I see two serious problems. One, the CCAC is not funded nearly enough for these dedicated people to do a better job by which I mean they could use more bodies in the field and taking care of the animals at the office. Two, the terrible people who are negligent with their pets. (The public at large.)  I have no sympathy for animal abusers and I include in the definition of abuse the lack of caring for those pets. It's a sorry thing indeed that there are definitely many who should never be allowed to have pets of any kind. Not spaying or neutering their pets is almost as bad as just dumping them on a highway or in several instances, tossing them from a speeding car while crossing a bridge. Euthanasia would be too kind for that type of human detritus. So, where does that leave us? In the interests of a civil discourse, what other problems are you aware of? We can discount anything from Don or Truthless and attempt to come up with a game plan or we can sit back and watch while our minds atrophy. I would be willing to help with a blueprint on moving forward.  How we are going to get more funds in such tight fiscal days as these is not easy to see. Who would we petiton? I'll wait right here while you ponder this.

Lily's Lore "I don't ever want to be rescued And I don't ever want to be saved I got a feelin' that I'm gonna be alive forever Dancin' on the edge of a grave..." Jim Steinman

Thank you Winn, I appreciate it. I don't know how I could read One Mann's post, hit reply, write a few paragraphs, hit submit and see it show up under a completely new thread. Maybe Rod Serling is not as dead as I thought. :>)

Lily's Lore "I don't ever want to be rescued And I don't ever want to be saved I got a feelin' that I'm gonna be alive forever Dancin' on the edge of a grave..." Jim Steinman

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They finally got someone that knew what animal control was all about and definatly had the training to help straighten out the problem.  Then Connie and Bill Bodenwebber fire him before his probation is up.  Sounds like Connie was threatened by this new person who I think, actually knew more than she did about running animal control.

Lily, I reported the problems I could document through the proper channels and they've already been corrected.  Problems got fixed, and not once did I have to refer to anyone's alleged immorality, motives or personal weight.  It was actually pretty easy and, bingo, CCAC's better today than yesterday, which is the whole idea, isn't it? 

I heard of lot of anecdotal complaints about CCAC during my door-to-door campaigning, though I never once raised the subject first and that piqued my concern. Almost all could be boiled down to procedural or policy - not personnel or personality - questions.

The fact is CCAC is in dire need of modernization and professionalization.  That doesn't make it any different than most other county departments, but CCAC has been firmly planted at the very bottom of the county priority list for a long, long time.  Heck, it's even tucked away in the boonies so politicians can be like everybody else and block its existence (and monthly mass murder rate) from their conciousness.

So, it's well past time for a very close look, followed by establishing some modern and realistic goals and policies for Animal Control, and taking long overdue steps to deal with the animal problem we have today and will have tomorrow.

Clay County's citizens are creating a problem that's resulting in more than 500 animal euthanizations (such a pretty-sounding word, isn't it?) a month.  And Clay County's citizens are going to have to pay to fix the problem they created.  So the questions become, are we spending enough and are we spending what we have most efficiently?

Again, I think everyone, folks on both sides of the Animal Control debate and others who are just concerned about how their tax dollars are being spent, should wait for the outcome of a scheduled performance audit of CCAC, then use it as the foundation to begin a new, civil discourse aimed at solving this growing problem in Clay County.

After the audit, we can get down to some real questions about how to improve Animal Control, we'll all be working toward the same goal, and there won't even be a need to call each other names.  We can all share our thoughts about how to make CCAC better for the animals, better for the employees and better for the taxpayers, and not make some of us feel like we have to shower immediately after participating.

Rich, I doubt this will have even the slightest effect on future Animal Control "discussion" on MCS.  As I said before, most of us choose to not invoke our rights to be asses for public amusement and/or pity.  But not all of us.

Michael S. Mann

michaelsmann@comcast.net

Hi to all clay county citizens.  As I stated before everyone is entitled to their opinion and there are alot of things wrong at CCAC.  There is alot of cover-up.  Everyone keeps forgetting about what happened to this rescuer.  I do believe if it had happened to anyone of you you would feel the same.  I have read all of these blogs and we all know alot of them are CCAC employees, it's just going back and forth.

They have spent alot of time insulting this rescuer, calling him names, but he is not giving up it seems, he wants to make CCAC better and he knowing the real facts he knows what he is up against.  I have not read any comments from him that weren't public records.  And as far as him insinuating something about the animal control director he did not come out and say anything that I can accuse him of I guess your mind will take it where it wants to go.  Shame on you CCAC employees.

These bloggers have put alot of false accusations out there about the rescuer and I don't hear him crying, these bloggers are just looking for something more to accuse this rescuer of.  I think you all should stop with the name calling and I believe this rescuer has taken the brunt of it all.  I do hope it does not discourage him.  I believe this blog is not going to get us anywhere, it's just arguing on line,  and I have better things to do most of the time.  But I find it necessary sometimes to speak up for what is right.  THIS RESCUER HAS RIGHT ON HIS SIDE. No matter how much CCAC employees try to muddy the water I hope most of you can see thru it to the truth.  It's hard to fight against county government but sometimes it is necessary.

I agree with you Mike on the policies and procedures that were not in place. I think that is a management issue. I think the high turnover rate has to be either a pay or management problem.

After a 2004 audit, county commissioners approved more positions and better pay for animal control personnel. If the turnover rate continues then I think it may be a management issue as well.

The other improvements planned for the facility and the record-keeping system will help as well. The record-keeping is a disaster from that department. Just make a public records request and you'll see what I mean. You will more than likely be handed a box and told to sit down and look till you find what you want. That cost the record seeker additional cost in obtaining records. That impedes the citizens access to records and results in unnecessary additional cost.

Lily

For the record darling you stomped first dear. You started that line when you jumped at me from the very begining "Jabba the Hut" It's public records Mistress to the spelunkers. You began this feud, you continue to drag it along everywhere you go. Great lets play!!

Like I said before skank as long as you play this game I will play right back with you darling.

From your continued attacks toward me I see you still want to play, cool!!

Based on your last couple of posts you seem to be dragging some. Poor thing you must be exhausted from burning that midnight oil with the spelunkers. So being the loving caring person I am I will cut you some slack this time

Don't you worry though about those sneeky spelunkers darling. I think they have a medical procedure they can do to tighten that all up for you. After all there will come a time when even the spelunkers will become disintrested.

By the way I really do love the way you give me so much attention. It's reassuring to know that you are always thinking of me. You're such a dear.

Big hugs and kisses to you darling. Keep in touch.  

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 My response to some of the other comments that were posted I will say this to you. .

 Folks, Yes!!

I agree there are many positive changes that need to take place at CCAC.

Since I have been going there I have seen many good things take place.

In saying that I also reject remarks that tend to defame and cast blame at these people. The do the best they can with what the government and taxes payers give them. The only true way to really understand this is for one to go down and witness it with their own eyes.

There are no sinister plots and ploys at CCAC, and mistakes have been made. They are human. This does NOT equate to lets hang them all from the tallest tree in the county. They know what they are doing. The problem is their tool boxes needed to be the best are limited to empty.

If the folks in the county want to see a better CCAC talk to the people that work there and ask them what they need to make it better. They are the ones that will be working with the tools we give them. Lets ask them what tools they need and be part of the solution. Not a Lynch Mob

I truely beleive that the more people that get on board and help CCAC the better we all will be.  The better off the animals in our county will be.

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...do you dwell? You started a feud with your insistence that I was incapable of being fair to your beloved cult before I even got a chance to read that lunatic book. Afterwards, just like Don, you never once addressed a single point I raised through my reviews. To date, you still haven't. All you ever posted was hate filled drivel. Same for FTD. Not once did either of you attempt a civil discourse. You even managed to run off Mr. Gupton who at least attempted to engage the blogosphere with some actual statements relevant to the issue. I doubt he'll be back and I don't blame him. Thanks for nothing. 

Then your noses got out of joint when you realized your tenth grade rantings were nothing compared to my writing. I'm not Hemingway or even Elizabeth George but I do know my homonyms.

There is no way on this planet you ever went to any college. And I sincerely doubt you ever graduated high school.You are a crude, crass individual with no real reason to live aside from sheer spitefulness. Here's a clue. There is well loved song you should embrace. The theme to MASH. Try it. We'll all like it if you do. Your continued lies and filthy aspersions have made you as big a laughingstock as Don. You two richly deserve one another.

I really can not imagine a more despicable human being. Heck, even Hitler liked dogs. You don't even have that going for you.  I realize this brings you to your beloved Paul Reubens response of "I know you are but what am I?" so I think this will be the end for me. I realize as childish as you are you will respond to this. Feel free. I will not continue this any further. Please do the world a favor and drop dead.

You do seem to know a lot more about spelunking the nether regions than I ever will. I don't swing that way, Tootsie.

Lily's Lore "I don't ever want to be rescued And I don't ever want to be saved I got a feelin' that I'm gonna be alive forever Dancin' on the edge of a grave..." Jim Steinman

Lily, Lil, Lilster

You sound upset darling. Your not upset are you?

Don't be mad sweetie after all this is the game you wanted to play.

Now I know you wish I was dead and that I would kill myself because you made that very clear in your last post, But I am sorry to say I can't help you there. But God bless you for the kind thought though.

If it makes you feel any better, I still love you.

Now dry those eyes of yours and give me a big hug.

I told you that any time I see you make any ill remarks toward me I would return in kind. So don't be mad I am the product of your big mouth.

Now don"t go away mad, just go away

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What? My computer dies, can't afford a new one right now and the two of you darlings still can't get along.  Pitiful................keep up the good work, it adds interest on some perverted level. 

OneMann

A problem is only a problem when it is a problem. 

CCAC has been neglected for a very long, long, long time not because it is located in the Boonies but because it's the Dog Pound!  Up until less than two years ago even their vehicles were identified with a DP (Dog Pound) emblem.  CCAC is actually quite centrally located, unless of course you live off of Chestwick Oaks, but if you do, you are used to not receiving timely Public Safety services.  After all, how many years did it take the County to provide a Fire Rescue Station in the highly populated area? 

1996 An elementary school was built on CR 315 in the McRae area of Keystone Heights.  12 years later there is finally a manned Fire Rescue Station "under construction". 

Twenty years ago CR 209, CR 218, CR 214, CR 315 etc.. were rarely travled county back roads with 55 mph speed limits.  Today they are all major thorofares (spelling ?) lined with homes and driveways, but the speed limit is still 55 mph and there still are no shoulders.

It seems as though the whole county reacts to problems.  After several fatal accidents the speed limit will change, the roads will be re-painted and reflectors will be replaced.   After the stick framed house (mobile homes don't count) burns to the ground a Fire Rescue Station is built. 

What this county needs is to become proactive.  Stop comparing with other Counties of equal size/population.  Look at the highly Populated Counties, learn from their mistakes.  What makes Seattle such a great place to live?  It rains alot, it's cold and the earth shakes under your feet, but yet it is a top rated city. 

Kilroy, you are absolutely right. Clay County only reacts in a knee-jerk fashion after something serious happens to cause the Board of County Commissioners to take notice. Even now, this county is divided into the "Haves and Have Nots." The newcomers to Clay see the updated parts of the county but the people that have lived here for years continue to travel the roads and highways that are collapsing under the treads of their tires. Granted, the newcomers have paid big bucks to live in the finer sections being built but our Board doesn’t seem to have a clue on how to create a plan for updating any infrastructure for the remaining 80% of the county.

The candidates put on their campaign signs that they are endorsed by the union that represents the Firefighters of this county. Paid firemen are a fairly recent phenomenon. It hasn’t been that long ago that a paid fire service was just a dream. 90% of firefighters in this county were volunteers who manned the stations when they got off work and just happened to be in the area. Training for the volunteers was hit and miss. Each station had to beg the citizens in their district for donations to purchase firefighting equipment and beg the county for discarded equipment from Orange Park and Green Cove. A lot of the fire trucks were homemade or surplus from the Department of Forestry. It took Hurricanes Hugo and Andrew to finally wake up the board to realize that the fire stations needed a little upgrading.

Pray tell, what catastrophe will it take to get the Board of their duff and bring this county into the 20th century? (Forget about the 21st century for a while)