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I will not commentSubmitted by kissmygrits on Mon, 08/04/2008 - 1:36pm.

And anything I post will be Public Record.

That didn't last long, did it?

TammyFaye

It tis what it tis, till it goes away Whether by choice or by squad car

I think what's needed at CCAC is

1) A much larger and more modern facility.

2) Become computerised.

3) Stiffer Laws against violators of the laws.

4) Higher fines for violators.

Then of course there is the source of the animal problems. Personal responsibilty and accountablility of pet owners, and breeders.

Once the above is accomplished I think everything else will fall in place quite nice.

TRUTHHURTS

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Every where!  If the place has a dumpster, they have cats. We counted 20 @ Goveners Creek boat ramp on Sunday. I started taking pics of them. The FI PO has some, the Mickie D's @ College & 220 has em. The Winn Dixie in GCS has em. You start looking around and they are everywhere. Some good people set out food for them in most places.

Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle

Now this is what we all should be doing instead of insulting each other. If you put together what kissmygrits has suggested and what TruthHurts has suggested, it looks like we could be headed in the right direction for a better CCAC. TammyFaye apparently doesn't want to do anything but cause hate and discontent. Both bloggers have such great ideas for a better shelter. The animal ordinances need to be revised and new ones added, stricter laws need to be pasted and larger fines imposed. All of this along with kissmygrits ideas sounds like a good plan. Now we need someone to take a stand....so all the citizens can get behind them and go let our county commissioners know we want this to work so CCAC can basically make the revenue to run itself. Unfortunately it will take new management with ambition and enthusiasm. Maxie, the feral cat problem is a simple one...anyone caught feeding the ferals must help CCAC trap and get them spayed or neutered, shots, etc. The ones that cannot be adopted...could be released to control rodents, whithout producing more offspring.

Kilroy....In one year CCAC and Det. Henderson shut down at least 5 puppy mills in Clay County. If not using state statues, they used county ordinances. Did you know that in order to breed, groom or board dogs and cats in Clay County you must have at least 5 acres of land? Why wasn't this continued after Henderson left? Its called proactive enforcement. You also need to read more about puppy development...pecking order. Even the youngest of puppies in a litter will fight over food or toys. That doesn't mean that that puppy is going to grow up to be an aggressive dog.

I admit it, I'm impressed.  Now hopefully we can keep this civil and hopefully those that should be reading this are still out there. 

Kissmygrits:

Good link, I thank you.  As far as I know Maddies funds are operated by "private corporations" that use Animal Control agencies to boost their adoptions...more adoptions=more money.  Now I'm not knocking the organization, I personally think it is awesome and BTW CCAC did participate and help the Duval Maddies Fund when they needed healthy adoptable animals to get their $200,000 grant.

Truthhurts:

You forgot one important element:  Education.  Now I have read where you don't believe it is the governments duty to educate, but when education make a difference then it needs to be implemented.  Not just in schools, but in the Media.  I can't tell you how many times I've overheard people saying "I had no idea there are this many animals here"

Gottasayit:

I do understand that pecking order starts at birth.  My problem with the situation I witnessed was not so much the puppy, but the lack of authority by the person.  I doubt very much that if a family with 2 young children walked in and wanted to buy that puppy that the business owner would tell them about it's aggressive tendencies.  I doubt that the business owner would even attempt to educate the family on how to deal with this type of (very correctable) behavior.  I doubt very much that this business owner would promote the advantages of spay/neuter. 

In Clay County a kennel is not a kennel unless the property owner calls it a kennel (whew that was a hand full).  The ordinance only prohibits the sale of goods in a residential or ag zone.  The ordinance does not prohibit the property owner from building chain link fence, concrete floored "dog pens".

Yes there is no doubt.  Ordinances must change.  Ordinances must be worded to prevent loop holes.  Mandatory spay/neuter is a must!!  Cat containment law is a must (for the cats safety)!!  Rodent control is an exterminators job, not a domestic animals job.  Repeat offender fines need to be implemented. 

jimmaxie:

You are absolutely right.  I personally have made contact with business managers about the situation.  If the manager is willing to monitor a trap or two, the employees are sneaking out and releasing the cats.  Maybe someone will invent oral contraceptives for felines.

Thank you all, and lets keep this civil 

Please go to:

 http://spayusa.org/media/pdfs/Cats_Multiply_Pyramid.pdf

http://spayusa.org/media/pdfs/Dogs_Multiply_Pyramid.pdf

and the next time you meet someone that wants to "help the poor, stray, hungry animal" by "just feeding it", please share this info.

I think yer heart is in the right place in microchipping pets. Two things tho.

1- Will it be affordable for all?

2- How long before the governemnt decides children should be tagged the same way at birth?

Sounds too 1984 fer me. You don't want to give the government any more sick ideas.

What do you think about a county wide license fee for all dogs, cats and ferrets? In cooperation with vets, rescues, other safe shelters and CCAC in Clay County all animals would be micro-chipped and this information be put into a computer bank. When a pet is picked up running at large, the owner could not deny it belongs to them. Increase the reclaim fee up to a third offense, after a third offense the animal would be put up for adoption (if it is adoptable, after being evaluated). Tags get lost or taken off the animal and owners can easily say, "that isn't my dog". The microchip can be inserted at the same time the animal receives their rabies shot and updated if and when the animal changes owners.

I also see your point about someone putting up concrete slabs and chain-link runs, But I don't see what the difference makes if they call it a kennel or not. If that same person is offering puppies or kittens for sale, breeding their dogs and cats and advertising them either on the inter-net, newspaper or side of the road, They would be in violation of the ordinance. Once you have proven they are breeding, boarding or grooming they must have 5 or more acres of land. Hopefully in the near future Clay County will require a business license..look at the revenue that would bring into our county and at the same time keep people accountable.

Children are..its called DNA

I'm all for microchips.  microchips are like vin numbers for vehicles.  I personally feel that all animals adopted or rescued from ANY Animal Control Agency or Private Shelter should be microchipped.  I also feed that all animals reclaimed by their owner from ANY Animal Control Agency should be micro-chipped.  My animals are all micro-chipped, not because they run at large, but because it is the only true way to prove I own them. 

I have heard many pro's and con's about animal licensing.  Most of the con's relate to proving ownership and cost effectiveness.  In today's world microchips solve the proving ownership problem.  I suppose licensing could mimic vehicle registration (microchip being the vin number), but I would imagine that implementing such would be expensive.  If a license is going to be implemented it must be effective and Ordinances must be written to cover all options (Pet Shops, Vets, Private Shelters and Rescue Organizations).  Licensing should not stop at dogs and cats, pleasure livestock (horses, ponies, donkeys, mules and jack-asses) should also be included.

Zoning Ordinances need to be addressed as badly as Animal Control Ordinances.  Maximum animals per acre is desperately needed referring to livestock.  Ordinances requiring animal owners to provide shelter (barn or in-closed stall) for Livestock is desperately needed.  Micro-chipping should not stop at dogs and cats.  Pleasure livestock should also fall under mandatory micro-chipping.  

I think state laws regarding private property would have to be amended in order to force the property owner to relinquish owner ship of their animal.  An animal is considered private property. 

Thank You MCS, I just spotted the links provided regarding training for aggressive dogs.

Please go to:

http://spayusa.org/media/pdfs/Cats_Multiply_Pyramid.pdf

http://spayusa.org/media/pdfs/Dogs_Multiply_Pyramid.pdf

and the next time you meet someone that wants to "help the poor, stray, hungry animal" by "just feeding it", please share this info

Thank You

Kilroy

Education is very important I totally agree. I would strongly reccomend to anyone interested in obtaining a pet to educate themselves prior to making that move. But not on the tax payers dime.

In my mind pet ownership is a luxury. I need a roof over my head, food on my table,  cloths on my back, shoes on my feet, and I will survive just fine. I don't need a pet to survive.

If I want to own a dog it's my job to find out what that ownership responsibilty entails, not the tax payers.

I have talked with officers at CCAC that spoke about violators that time after time continue to do the wrong thing when they have personally met and tried to educate them on how to be a good pet owner. Everytime an officer makes contact with the public they educate them on how to be a good pet owner. 

It's not hard to be a good pet owner. All it takes is a little common sense, love, carring, and understanding. Since when has it become the governments job to teach us common sense, love, caring, and understanding. It's about being a decent human being.

Now for those people that will not, or refuse to play by the rules and allow their pets to run free like nuts, neglect, harm, abandon them or not provide proper diet and vet care. We jump on them to the full extent of the law. We make them pay. We remove their rights to owning a pet. We put in place laws and fines with teeth. This is how this will be solved. We make them an example for all to see.

When we start thinking in terms of the government and tax payer dollars being responsible for educating people in regards to such a simple concept as being a responsible pet owner. We take one more step closer to becoming a nanny state where we start expecting the government to solve all of our personal downfalls because they (the government) should have taught us how to conduct oursleves in our personal day to day life.

I am a firm beleiver in less government in my life and wallet. And for the personal responsibilties and accountability of each and every citizen.

In terms of other comments on the thread that "seem to me", to be quite civil. I respect that tactic.

But I will say personally, that I did notice the discontentment tone for the management at CCAC and that is your right.

Based on what I have seen, I must disagree with you. I think the current management is doing just fine with the hand they have been dealt. And if the right changes are implemented as outlined above I beleive everything else will fall right into place. 

Don Rammon "kissmygrits" and Annie Henderson "gottasayit", I know in your hearts you beleive what you are doing is what's best for the animals, so I will say this. 

Think of all the animals you can help by sending as many people as you can to CCAC to adopt or rescue animals. Even if you never stepped foot back there you can still help those animals by encouraging folks to go there. Don't push them away!!!

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Sorry

No I am not Arlene. I also have never suggested that anyone at CCAC be replaced. I have always been on record speaking well of everyone at CCAC. 

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree regarding your last post. I think your comments are totally erroneous.  

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I believe the Director of Animal Control and a county elected official are the most bashed folks on the MCS blogs. I am just an old gun slinger so I will ask, is there an accreditation process that animal controls can be accredited by? Maybe this is the answer to some of this dissatisfaction. I don’t believe we need to build any gallows at the courthouse and start hanging anyone from CCAC. I really don’t pay too much attention to this blog but I know there seems to never be anything positive said about the operation. Just a couple of questions and I am sure someone I hope will give an honest answer.

Is there a procedures manual specific to CCAC operations?

Is there a job description for each position at CCAC?

Are performance evaluations completed on all staff and goals set?

I know the operation has come a long way in the last 20 years. I had the unfortunate task one time about 30 years ago of being present during a day that some animals were put to sleep. The process then consisted of a large metal box with an inlet to connect a hose to a vehicle exhaust pipe. The animals were loaded in the death chamber and then the pipe connected to the vehicle and the engine started. It was a horrible sound hearing those animals barking and trying to claw their way out of that box. I am a tough old coot, but that was itched in my memory and I will never forget it. It was a sad day. I am a softie for animals and adopted a one eyed dog from a local shelter last year and would not trade her for anything. She is like my child and if you hurt her I am going to get sideways with you. Apparently there is a perception that CCAC is not up to snuff. Perception can be reality. Hopefully, when the elections are over the BCC will appoint a committee of professional residents and representatives from the pet rescue organizations from either locally or from adjacent counties to review the operations and make recommendations for improvement. I would be more than honored to sit on the committee and review the operation.

No

Thats not what that means. Mrs. Henderson.

I beleive you are making assumptions. CCAC continues to work with rescue groups and they are doing fine.

You are putting out more erroneous information.

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Mangnum

I beleive the answer to all your questions is yes. But that could be confirmed by calling CCAC.

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Mangnum

I beleive the answer to all your questions is yes. But that could be confirmed by calling CCAC.

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Stick a fork in me, I'm done.  I tried.  Good Bye

Please go to: http:

//spayusa.org/media/pdfs/Cats_Multiply_Pyramid.pdf

http://spayusa.org/media/pdfs/Dogs_Multiply_Pyramid.pdf

and the next time you meet someone that wants to "help the poor, stray, hungry animal" by "just feeding it", please share this.

Thank You

Clay Co Animal Control doesn't up hold the policies of the THE FLORIDA ANIMAL CONTROL ASSOICATION..Which they are a member of,This is Ms Goons job....CORRECT

 And where is the EDUCATION TO THE PUBLIC......Another Ms Goon Job

Provide honest and accurate information on organizational policies, procedures and programs, including disposition of animals, using this as an opportunity to educate members of the community.

Advocate and model respectful behavior through example and acknowledging socioeconomic, cultural, ethnic and philosophical differences within their communities.

Provide emergency care to injured and diseased animals and, when necessary, humane and dignified death by recommended and approved methods for all animals in their care.

Uphold all laws governing the State of Florida and their community.

Actively prevent cruelty to animals through encouraging education, investigation and prosecution by appropriate agencies.

Pursue educational opportunities both within and outside their prospective organizations.

Provide appropriate and humane handling to minimize stress on animals, recognizing each animal's innate behavior when approaching, capturing and caring for such animals.

Be responsible pet owners themselves and adhere to all laws, federal, state and local.

Provide all animals which are transported and sheltered with a clean environment, potable water at all times and adequate nutrition on a daily basis.

Use chemical immobilization prudently, when all other methods of capture have failed or when public safety is in jeopardy.

Communicate honestly and accurately to fellow workers and the public.

UNACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOR FOR ANIMAL CARE AND CONTROL PROFESSIONALS  A definition of unacceptable behavior is normally adopted by cities and counties through the State of Florida Code of Ethics of Public Officers and Employees found in Chapter 112 (Part III) of the Florida Statutes. In addition, FACA identifies the following as specific to animal, care and control professionals:
To intentionally mistreat an animal.

To use excessive force in capture and handling.

To accept gifts, money or services, while on or off duty, for duties performed.

To sell or dispose of animals other than by reunification with identified owners, adoption or euthanasia.

To misinform the public regarding organizational policies including euthanasia.

CODE OF ETHICS FOR ANIMAL CARE AND CONTROL ORGANIZATIONS   Promote the welfare and protection of all animals in the community. Provide and strive for a level of service based on their communities’ needs. Identify and develop services to eliminate the overpopulation of companion animals and promote responsible pet ownership. Ensure that all animals impounded are provided with a humane and appropriate level of care including a clean environment, fresh water, adequate nutrition and appropriate medical care. Provide injured and diseased animals with immediate care in accordance with state and local laws. Ensure that animals are only disposed of by reunification with identified owners, by responsible adoptions or humane euthanasia. Ensure that all animals adopted are placed in responsible homes and sterilized in accordance with Florida State Statutes. Provide their staff members with training, including state-mandated training approved by FACA, to ensure a high level of job professionalism. Ensure that all animals are humanely handled when euthanized, employing only approved and humane methods of euthanasia. Comply with all federal, state and local laws. Work cooperatively with all agencies within their community. Develop and monitor internal policy and procedure. Maintain accurate records on all animals, and all activities. Provide the public with honest and truthful information regarding animal populations, and disposition of animals, including euthanasia. Support the policies of the Florida Animal Control Association as outlined in this policy handbook.

anyhoo....

discontented;

That is one of the best avatars I've seen.

You Eated My Cookie? It reminds me of the cries of Sally Forth's daughter when she finds the ears missing from her chocolate rabbit each year.

Thanks for the smile. 

Mike Heemer

Glad it made you smile. Always happy when that happens:)