Hi Don !!!!!

Luckily you don't have a job and since the good citizens of Florida are paying all your

bills you'll have plenty of free time to think about all the things you've said !!!! 

Hey Don, who's laughing now???

Woohoo !!!! 

After a year's worth of blogging and all that has been said by Don about Mrs. Goon, you don't know???

I got a cardboard sign here that says will work for food, it's yours if you want it. Maybe since Don no longer has a computer, maybe one of his pals would like to step up.

Okay, for us newbies, who aren't in the know, somebody fill us in.

Hey Don we all warned you about maligning a person's character!

Look's like you should have listened to all of us!

Seem's like your friend Gottasayit gave you some Bad Advice on the legal front!

CommodoreQueen

The details should all be public record tomorrow.  As soon as it's available, I will post it !!!    Can't wait to see it !!!

Yes Sir !  You have a wonderful nite ! 

Just telling a fellow blogger to have a wonderful night !

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Smart choice. I would suggest you review the link I've provided. I will add one comment SNL just did a political satire skit and suggested Mr Palin slept with his daughter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SLAPP

Wow now isn't this a real shocker.....Who would have guessed ?

Non facias malum ut inde fiat bonum (you should not make evil in order that good may be made from it)

We reap what we sow, and now it's harvest time.

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I think Mr Rammon should file a countersuit. I have seen people make comments on here that was just as derogatory as any remark he has ever made. And many of them were made to him. Yet they still blog. I would find an attorney who understands SLAPP and how important those protections of his rights can be for all of us. Whoever is not successful in court pays all costs.

You mean smart choice by Connie Goon?

No, it was in response to your deleted post cause and effect.  A SLAPP can intimidate others from participating in the debates. It can have a chilling effect on freedom of speech. And as was written in the link. " According to New York Supreme Court Judge J. Nicholas Colabella, "Short of a gun to the head, a greater threat to First Amendment expression can scarcely be imagined."

I strongly encourage Mr Rammon to seek an attorney familiar with SLAPP. I would encourage him to contact the ACLU as well.

SLAPP "The term was originally defined as "a lawsuit involving communications made to influence a governmental action or outcome, which resulted in a civil complaint or counterclaim filed against nongovernment individuals or organizations on a substantive issue of some public interest or social significance."

I agree and with an attorney. Mr Rammon can find out that information and act accordingly. I encourage him to seek an attorney before going for a deposition.

Being afraid to speak, even when it's just opinion might be the reason that there are now 132 people reading here and only two writing.  I don't approve of most of what Don Rammon has been writing though, or should I say, the way he (and others) choose to express themselves.

I agree. When people are being attacked for posting information such as the 52 animals that were taken by county employees which launched this campaign. Which I believe to be a substantive issue of public interest to the taxpayers and gets attacked. They will attack back in self defense. I don't think either party showed any significant restraint but equally participated. However they were not equally treated in dealing with the problems.

If intimating that there were affairs were the worst things that Don Rammon said, what in your opinion was the worst thing anyone else on the other side said in comparison?

All of it and how it was handled differently.

You mean by MyClaySun.

you are so right! but i did speek with someone last evening and things are handled. time will tell.

funny you said something about karma!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is one thing to think of someone as a cartoon character and address them with a pet name you choose, that is an opinion.

It is another to state blantant lies about someone with the sole purpose of doing them harm and to getting them terminated from their employment.

If I think someone is stupid, dumb, an idiot, a jerk, fat, whatever I can speak my opinion. What I can't do is state a blatant lie and state the have committed crimes.

If you can't see the difference I feel sorry for you.

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don't feel sorry for me. you and others are as guilty as it comes for lies,slander,name calling and it goes on and on. i have never used personal names on this blog. can you say that? well lets let the judge decide with all of these law suits. the attorneys will appreciate the business i understand there will be quite a few. 

Think what you may my friend, That is your opinion.

Just like the one when you said no lawyer would ever take Mrs. Goon's case. Seems like you were wrong there as well.

The judge will decide

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are a dime a dozen. your are right let the judge decide.

I know I am right, happy to hear we agree

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Do you need me to repost all of the slanderous blogs you've written that DO include specific names of people and businesses?!  I don't mind doing the extra leg work if you can't seem to remember.

You, yourself are treading on thin water.  Speaking of lawsuits, maybe you should watch yourself.

 You do whatever you want, thats your right

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As usual.....nothing valid to say.....

Don't you mean righteous ?? Evidently , you and the rest of goon squad A.K.A. CCAC employees believe that nobody else in this county is able to have an opinion or can voice displeasure with a county facility.We , the voters should be able to have the most qualified individuals in charge of our county agencies and my opinion , that is not the case at the dog pound.Heaven forbid that someone might say something negative about an agency that kills the wrong animals or sometimes just kills them by mistake.Hey if this happens on your watch ,you should be responsible. 

 I personally think that the director should do the ight thing and just resign the position....and avoid termination..

I knew someone would come in and take donnnnn's place. Looks like there will be more username changes coming.

If you think that Don is the only person in Clay County who is unhappy with things going on at CCAC, you are certainly misinformed. 

 There is really no question that there are two distinct "sides" to the issues surrounding the CCAC.

 In Regards to the  CCAC needing more funding, a better facility and I understand the need for better ordinances.

As for the personal attacks that have been enacted here on MCS and Craigs list,  I can not tolerate opinions that defame or otherwise slander someones ethics, morals or integrity without solid proof

We need some leadership in the county. That will come from the Commissioners and the County Manager. We need someone to step up and say let's do something constructive to fix the problems that have gotten out of hand in the county. That problem is the needless killing of thousands of animals each year. Why I don't think the problem is the facility. But the lack of proper ordinances and enforcement of those ordinances in the county and mismanagement. 

A new facility will not fix the problems of animal control.  Of course we all need something new in the county. However we have bigger needs such as new roads, a new jail, and other important issues that the citizens face each day. A new animal control facility to burden the taxpayers with the cost of the facility, additional staff, and more animals to house will only continue the problems. It will not stop the needless killing of thousands of animals but create more killings. Did it fix the problems in Palm Beach County? No but they have a nice facility but a much bigger population and tax base to build it with. Clay County don't have that luxury.

Questions of governments and their employees and the handling of taxpayers money is not slander and elected officials need to be answering those questions.

i agree bigger is only better if the problems are fixed if not the problems will only grow with us.lets hope our commissioners will step in and help with the county mgmt.

Talking about re-hashing issues. There is no doubt in my mind that the ordinances need to be revisited and revised. As far as the CCAC complex is considered, it has been out of date for probably 10 years.

I agree that better ordinances will provide an income stream to assist with a new facility, more staff etc..However, Much of the problems with animals dying, over-crowding and the number of animals that are euthanized every has alot to do with the out-dated and insufficient facilities that the CCAC has to deal with.

I have passed the CCAC early in the morning to see all 3 "drop-off" cages in front of the facility FULL of unwanted animals. How in hades are new ordinances going to fix that problem? Are we going to staff the CCAc 24 hours per day 7 days a week so that we can interrogate those individuals that are dropping off these animals?

Just questions that need to be answered.

Pass the ordinance like Palm Beach County promptly. Then in the ordinance anyone caught with an animal that has not been spayed or neutered that does not hold a certificate from a vet for medical reasons. Or a license for the pet that cost 75.00 per year per pet to be unaltered and 10.00 for a altered pet they are fined 250.00 per animal. The second offense is 500.00 per animal. The third offense can include jail time along with fines, fees, and court cost if necessary. Talking about revenue in the county. Anyone caught not in compliance can fund a new facility in a couple of years.

Shortly thereafter they will be very few animals to drop off in the bins at animal control. If you have proper enforcement of the ordinance.

I have already suggested public safety and a citizens group (at no cost to the county) to police the community for compliance. Those can be all the animal lovers  we have in the county.

How do you kill something you don't have which is all of those unwanted animals.

BTW our roads have been outdate over 20 years. Blanding has been a failed road for as long as I can remember. The jail is reaching near capacity and we are worried about a new animal control facility. Please!

Somebody in government needs to grow up. Punish the people who violate the laws. Make them have a license to have puppy mills. No wonder Clay County is a haven for unwanted pets. No accountability and all citizens are punished for irresponsible owners of pets. Now we want to punish them more in lean budget years by spending 3 million on a facility.

You can put a camera up that monitors pictures of people dropping off animals. Can we all say nanny cam very inexpensive and very effective.

all of this is not from out of date facility. alot of thing need to be fixed. come on admit we have some problems. i agree we have alot of good from some of the employees at ccac but we have problems too.

Angela, You have some GREAT ideas and comments..Let's take them one at a time....

  Pass the ordinance like Palm Beach County :

  O.K. I like their ordinance and YES I have read it. And I do not see anything happening "promptly". We are talking about the government here.

  Shortly thereafter they will be very few animals to drop off in the bins at animal control. If you have proper enforcement of the ordinance :

  Sorry, But I disagree with you on this one...Do you have any idea how many families with pets move to this county every month? Are we going to start requiring a home inspection for animal control for every new resident? I do agree that the "drop-offs" will decline, however I believe that it will not happen "shortly thereafter".

  I  have already suggested public safety and a citizens group (at no cost to the county) to police the community for compliance. Those can be all the animal lovers  we have in the county.

  Let me get this straight, you want to use "the animal lovers" of clay county to police the community to look for violators? Give me A Break. That is like putting crack dealers in charge of the Community Police Program to help curb the crime rate. The community needs to be policed by PAID PROFESSIONALS that have the right training and as Clay County is expanding we need to hire more Animal Control Officers, at a competitive rate.

  BTW our roads have been outdate over 20 years. Blanding has been a failed road for as long as I can remember. The jail is reaching near capacity and we are worried about a new animal control facility. Please!

  Out-dated roads? I agree with you on this one. Maybe we can turn Blanding Blvd into a multi level road as there is no room to widen it..( I'll bet that will be costly) Build a new Jail ? Another good idea and I DO believe that we will need a new one soon HOWEVER..With the parking issues and the size of the available "foot-print" for the jail that we have in-place, it looks like we will be building a new one on some other piece of property, that is unless you want to build UP in which case there are height restrictions for buildings that you have to deal with, along with that ever pressing parking problem. OH, and we will have to hire MORE correctional officers, nurses and other support staff.

  I really like the Camera Idea...problem is, how do you identify people with this? With todays technology we can't even get a good picture from bank cameras in a controlled environment.

Concerned,

  Your statement is correct that not ALL of the problems at the CCAC stem from an outdated facility and we DO have GREAT people at the CCAC. HOWEVER I believe that we would get a better quality of staff at the CCAC if they had a better work environment. Heck If I was offered $100,000.00 per year to work at the facility as it stands, I would not take the offer.

My point is that IF there are available funds in the County budget to assist the CCAC with a new facility, or to make the one that is already in existence a better working environment then we should DO IT.

In my bunch of years living out here in the sticks, I’ve found it necessary to call Animal Control three separate times to pick up some unwanted animals.  These animals were obviously handicapped and had been tossed from a car somewhere along the road because their owners no longer wanted them.  One of these animals was a piglet with a distended abdomen and very sick.  It was odd finding it in my yard because there are no pig farms anywhere near my home.

 Each time I’ve called Animal Control, the officer came and was very courteous and treated the animal with care.  Before each animal was loaded into the truck, the person responding told me what the procedure was and that euthanasia was probably the result.  I guess I could have taken the opportunity to relieve the officer of his responsibility and taken charge of the animal but I didn’t and I don’t feel any regret.  I didn’t need the animal and I didn’t want it. 

CCAC is called Clay County Animal Control, not Citizens Coalition of Adoption and Care.  Euthanasia is a fact of life when it comes to controlling the population of unwanted pets and animals.  Dogs are social animals and love to be in the company of humans but they are also pack animals and will become wild and aggressive when left uncared for and join other dogs to fend for themselves.  If some caring person finds it in his heart to adopt an animal to see to its needs and keep it healthy, God Bless Him.  If it becomes necessary to end the life of an unwanted animal to control the population, so be it.

A Commissioner puts the item (proposed ordinance) on the agenda. A majority agrees it is necessary for the safety and welfare of the community. They direct the county attorney to bring back the ordinance. They have a public hearing and if the Commissioners are smart they vote yes. It's a done deal. Yes you will have people who whine about why they don't feel people should be held to accountablilty. But in the end its not up to the people but the Commissioners to lead the county.

I know all of you guys seem to support the needless killing of all these animals which is disgusting to say the least. Under the mask that a state of the art facility and some more trained employees is what the county needs to have less animals killed each year.. Well I say no to more government. I say no to killing all those animals. I say no to a new facility. I say no to just growing the problem.

People move to different counties and even different States daily. Does that exempt them from the law just because they moved. Please at least be resonable in your arguments.

The jails daily reports show we are about 4 to 5 people away from capacity each day. I will inform you the State and Federal will come in and correct that problem if the county does not. Even if it means letting them out on the streets.

Really would you rather hire more animal control officers and build bigger facilities to save 5 more animals you could hopefully get adopted.

Or hire more police officers and jail personnel to lock up those who kill and rape your family member at the vet clinic. 

The person who recently arm robbed Planet Smoothie was seen on camera and tipped law enforcement and has now been arrested. No big thing I guess. No one would be able to see who was on the camera at CCAC.

Your statement: "My point is that IF there are available funds in the County budget to assist the CCAC with a new facility, or to make the one that is already in existence a better working environment then we should DO IT."

You sound like the people from the historical committee who wanted to waste money to buy coloring books just because it was in the budget. Very effective government. Well not in my opinion.

Roads maybe we could use the money since we have spent millions to have a PD&E Study on College Drive North and open up the middle of the county and make a great in and out access for the taxpaying citizens. It's already been studies, and we paid for it and now all they need is the money. But oh let's not worry about roads we need a bigger facility for animal control so we can kill more animals and hire more staff. Right!

I think I'm seeing your analogy now. It sounds like kids with piggy banks. That's why we need leaders because we are talking about millions as the starter.

I do not understand why you even care about this CCAC issue as you have made it clear that you really do not care to even go to the facility. It seems to me that the all mighty dollar is your concern.

I will assure you that I know how county meetings are ran and I know the proper procedures for enacting or passing an ordinance...I really do not need an education on the inner workings of Government.

I am in-awe that you feel qualified to preach to me about law enforcement, correctional institutions, crime or cameras at the planet smoothie. In fact I would be willing to bet that the individual got himself arrested because he could not keep his mouth shut. I am sure that there were a number of leads that came in on that fuzzy, grainy picture/video and those leads were unfounded.....

You see, I have been involved in law enforcement as well as correctional institutions, local government, animal care, and non-profit orginizations and have a great understanding on how they operate. 

Let me ask you this.  Who will benefit from the road upgrades at college? The entire county? I didn't think so. If there needs to be a road there let the developers, business' and such pay for it.

As far as me sounding like people that wanted to buy coloring books...Since you know so much I probably am trying to knock a brick wall down with a feather  with this statement but let me clue you in...The coloring books a a great way to educate children and also if the "surplus" money does not get spent there will be a "surplus" to show on their budget. If this happens then they do not receive grant monies....

Your banter about the Jail and the federal authorities are concerned...I HAVE worked in a corrections facility and I know all about the CARE, CUSTODY AND CONTROL OF PRE-TRIAL DETAINEES, I will wager that 90% of county jails, state prisons and federal prisons are ALWAYS close to capacity. So you can stay off of your soap box about that one too.

As far ashow you feel about  the "killing" of animals...You are just going to have to get over that. This is a FACT OF LIFE and you or NO OTHER PERSON is going to change that.

IT SEEMS TO ME THAT YOU ARE A VERY SINGLE MINDED PERSON AND CANNOT ACCEPT THAT THERE IS MORE THAN ONE SIDE AND SOLUTION TO EVERY SITUITATION. (not yelling just making a point)

Get off of your soap box and understand that there are several solutions to this issue and yours is not the cure all. I have stated that I understand a need for an ordinance revision. Just understand (since you will not visit the CCAC facility) that there is an urgent need to upgrade the facility.

Why do I care good question. Those are my tax dollars and my quality of life in Clay County. I don’t care if the department is called Public Works or Animal Control. I don’t care if the director’s name is Arthur Ivey or Connie Goon. I don’t care if the County Manager is named Bob Wilson or Fritz Behring. Do your job or move on.

I care about good government. I don’t care what department they run or what position they hold. I care when waste, fraud, and abuse happens it harms the citizens. It requires us to pay more in taxes to compensate for the mishandling of funds, poor management, giving away property, lack of policies, and just bad government in general. That means I pay 2 times for what I could have gotten the first go round for the money. Not to mention what we are denied because we lost the funds.

If you are so well versed in government. Then why would say the ordinance could not be enacted promptly. It really is a very simple process that does not cost additional funds to the county. As a matter of fact it would generate funds and have a department that could support itself and not out of the general funds in the county.

The County has had the largest increase in population in the Ridgecrest/Doctor’s Inlet area. The College Drive North extension would alleviate by the study all traffic off Blanding and 17 from 220 to Kingsley and down to Knight Boxx Road. It would sure make my ride down Blanding much nicer each morning. A large portion of the citizens who commute daily who would be off Blanding and Hwy 17. That would greatly reduce the traffic we encounter in the mornings and evenings. Just as a note the cost to clean up the landfill snafu would have paid for the right away and the State would have matched the funds to start the extension. But we were busy using the money to clean up another director who just didn’t manage that department to well either.

How many thousands of animals do you think Clay County should kill each year. Is the number 9000 acceptable? Or do you think they will enact an ordinance when we kill 20 or 30 thousand per year like some of these other larger counties. How sad and they tell me we have a county manager who cares about animals.

While we are talking about department heads do you think if we kept sending funds and building bigger facilities over there Arthur Ivey could have found a different place to put those timbers and managed public works better. To me I didn’t see funds or facilities as the problem in public works. Nor do I see more funds and bigger facilities as the problems in animal control either. But that’s just my opinion.

Stay tune the Sheriff will appear shortly with his request in hand for more jail space. The Commissioners will be listening because it is their responsibility. I will be watching and monitoring the happenings. I certainly didn’t have any problems collecting the information to be sent the FBI in Washington concerning the over 300 being held against the law in the jails of Florida. It certainly helped in getting them out of there.

Shouldn't coloring books and education be in the school system?

Suing someone for making false stories and allegations, i can only imagine how the judge will laugh this one off.  Esp. after (IF) he reads any of these postings.  If this is the same Donny who can't spell shoe or complete a sentence in a logical way, and (IF) he or she (the judge) is able to find out the many different screen names Mrs. Goon has supp. had, this case should be a wash. 

Mean and hateful statements of opinion are one thing, to file a financial lawsuit b/c the individual couldn't quit reading is hilarious.  Mrs. goon is not a public figure, she may have become such over the course of all the stupid blogging about her, but still is no celeb. 

I have heard both sides of this ignorant debate that i still know little about b/c it has been unlogical, un-meaningful, outlandish at times of a debate.  We or those actually concerned about (which is like two of you) have accomplished nothing and have not done the part(s) necess. to promote the process. 

There has been dubious and ridiculous comments from both sides adding to the fire of conflict over WHAT?  If Mrs. Goon is to file against anyone it should be all who have made dumb comments against her.  But what am i saying, i think the entire lawsuit of my feelings are hurt is BS.  Just a way to get back at someone who missed the line for a brain. 

Don't get me wrong, things that have been said of Mrs. Goon have at times been hurtful and mean spirited and maybe Donny took the lashings to another level, but whomever took this case is only in it for Goon's money.  The couple should have taken their case to Judge Judy, that way it would fit the full description of stupid and Judy could tell both sides of their stupidity, one for filing a stupid case and one for just being stupid.  Now stupid is a word that has gotten me into trouble before, but i thought that discussion was stupid and i think this discussion, case, worn out wanna be debate is stupid. 

I think progress for this county and actual thoughts of change would be smart, but i'll just sit here by the computer and wait for that day. 

If only i was the judge...........  

Listen,

First of all ...No NOT ALL education should be conducted in the "educational system".

I think that the ordinance that you are supporting even has a sub section that includes education of the general public for the spay and neuter program (among other things). So you contradict yourself..Nothing new with your arguements...

I suppose that you have all of the answers to all of the issues facing the County.

If you think your ideas are the solutions to these issues go to the BoCC meetings, as  has been suggested to you on other threads, and get things done. You seem to think that everyone needs to be in 100% agreement ywith you...so get off of your rear end and get some things done.

I am finished with you and your bouncing around to all of the different threads to be nothing more than a catalist for arguement. I have seen individuals agree with you, in part, over your suggestions for issues at hand and then you repay them for deciding that your answers are the only way to "fix" things. You are starting to sound a little like you would like to live in a communist country where families are limited to 1 child and if they happen to have another child that "extra" unauthorized life has no place in society.

Good luck, God Speed and I'm done

Never said I have all the answers. I was just offering suggestions for a more effective and efficient county government.

I say enact the ordinance, charge fees and fine and let the department support itself.

You said we need bigger facilities (State of the Art) and more employees.

Sorry I'm not more government but less government. So I like my idea of less government better.